[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Topic 2

Sat Mar 2 12:37:04 CST 2013

http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery

Hi Crispin,

I agree that blaming kerosene instead of the lamp for making soot misses
the opportunity to fix the problem not by switching fuels but by just
fixing the lamp. Kelley Grabow and Ed Wilson did
dome preliminary investigation shown in a video above that seemed to
indicate that fixing the lamp might be pretty simple.

Best,

Dean

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Geoff Thomas <wind at iig.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Crispin that link required some un-related password to do with
> Microsoft.
> > <
> https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg
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> No way it could be viewed.
> Cheers,
> Geoff.
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> >   1. Re: Skoll article on HAP research (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)
> >   2. Re: Gas Bottle TLUDs (Elisha Moore-Delate)
> >   3. Re: [biochar] Re:  ~Stoves and STEM education~ (Erin Rasmussen)
> >   4. Re: Skoll article on HAP research (nari phaltan)
> >   5. Fwd: Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of
> >      Poverty and Climate (Lloyd Helferty)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:07:23 -0500
> > From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
> >       <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research
> > Message-ID: <00ce01ce15ef$3a1b7c90$ae5275b0$@gmail.com>
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> > Dear Christina
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the pointer.
> >
> >
> >
> > For the benefit of readers I would like to raise one point about the
> emissions and the fuel.
> >
> >
> >
> > ?Getting Good Data Could be Easy
> >
> > ?If solid fuel cook stoves and kerosene lanterns are used in the same
> households, then getting the answers we need may be straightforward and low
> cost. While in the field, mothers being surveyed about their use of solid
> fuel cook stoves could also be asked a few questions about their use of
> kerosene for lighting. Some additional field observations could be
> recorded. Existing resources allocated to studies planned for cook stoves
> research could be very easily leveraged to quickly and inexpensively begin
> to build a body of knowledge about the effects of kerosene lighting.?
> >
> > The article also says that ?A recent Environmental Science and
> Technology <mailto:http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es302697h>
>  article reports that as much as 10% of kerosene smoke is pure black carbon
> (soot) ? 20 times higher than previous studies had found.?
> >
> >
> >
> > The black carbon content of kerosene smoke is highly variable. It
> depends on what lantern is used and the power setting. The article speaks
> as if the emissions are created by the fuel and that worries me. This is an
> old fashioned view. It is like saying that ?wood is a smoky fuel?. It
> depends on the stove that is burning the wood, and how, doesn?t it? There
> is no doubt that one lantern may create 20 times as much black carbon
> particles as another lantern, but this tells us nothing about the fuel, it
> tells us about the lanterns.
> >
> >
> >
> > One alternative to a smoky kerosene lantern is a clean burning kerosene
> lantern.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Crispin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf
> Of Christina Espinosa
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:50 PM
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > Subject: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of
> interest:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/
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> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:26:20 -0500
> > From: "Elisha Moore-Delate" <emdelate at chemonics.com>
> > To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
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> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas Bottle TLUDs
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> > Thanks Crispin. Appreciate the lovely photos and info.
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> > From: Stoves on behalf of Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
> > Sent: Tue 2/26/2013 11:26 PM
> > To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'
> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas Bottle TLUDs
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Elisha
> >
> >
> >
> > What a great idea - so many harmonies.  In Mozambique old gas bottles
> are widely used as charcoal cooking pots, cut lengthwise from tip to
> bottom, after the valve has been removed.
> >
> >
> >
> > They last a really long time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are two types, one with the cylinder used vertically, one
> horizontally.
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> > <
> https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg
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> > Baseline charcoal stoves in Maputo, Mozambique
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> > Regards
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> > This might be of interest to the stovers that kerosene can be made into a
> > very clean burning fuel just like LPG.
> > http://www.cseindia.org/userfiles/Lantern%20that%20cooks.pdf
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> > Cheers.
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> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Christina Espinosa <
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> >> Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of
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> >>
> >>
> https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/
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> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject:      Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of Poverty
> > and Climate
> > Date:         Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:23:44 -0500
> > From:         Robert Korol
> > To:   Sfp Notices-list" <sfpnotices at physics.utoronto.ca>
> >
> >
> >
> > Carla - thank goodness we are getting the power houses of our economic
> engines like the*World Bank*  on side with respect to green energy.
> >  Maybe there is hope for the world after all!
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:42:37 -0500
> >  "Carla"<carla.wong at utoronto.ca>  wrote:
> >> Source:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/
> >>
> >>
> >> Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of Poverty and Climate
> >>
> >> By Stephen Leahy
> >>
> >>
> >> UXBRIDGE, Canada, Feb 25 2013 (IPS) - Green energy is the only way to
> bring
> >> billions of people out of energy poverty and prevent a climate
> disaster, a
> >> new study reveals.
> >>
> >> Conservative institutions like the World Bank, the International Energy
> >> Agency and accounting giant Price Waterhouse Coopers (PwC) all warn
> humanity
> >> is on a path to climate catastrophe unless fossil fuel energy is
> replaced by
> >> green energy.
> >>
> >> The U.N.'s/*Sustainable Energy for All*/  initiative intends to bring
> universal
> >> access to modern energy, doubling the share of renewable energy
> globally,
> >> and doubling the rate of improvement in energy efficiency by 2030.
> >>
> >> Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition away
> from
> >> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand.
> >>
> >> If those targets are met and similar efforts undertaken to*reduce
> >> deforestation*, then climate disaster can be avoided, said Joeri Rogelj
> of
> >> the<http://www.iac.ethz.ch/>   Institute for Atmospheric and Climate
> Science
> >> in Zurich  who headed the analysis published Sunday in the journal
> >> <http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html>  Nature Climate Change.
> >>
> >> "Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition away
> from
> >> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand," Rogelj told IPS.
> >>
> >> The U.N.<http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/>  Sustainable Energy
> for
> >> All (SE4All)  initiative is ambitious, but brings a wide range of
> benefits
> >> including improvements in health, less air pollution and makes the
> >> all-important break from increasing fossil fuel energy use. The analysis
> >> shows the costs of SE4All is far less than the public subsidies the
> fossil
> >> fuel industry currently receives, he said.
> >>
> >> Nearly three billion people still use fire for cooking and heating. Of
> >> those, some 1.5 billion people have no access to electricity. For a
> billion
> >> more, their only access is to sporadic and unreliable electricity
> networks.
> >> Indoor air pollution from burning dung, charcoal, and wood for heating
> and
> >> cooking leads to nearly two million premature deaths of women and
> children
> >> every year, more than all the deaths from malaria and tuberculosis.
> >>
> >> Dirty fossil fuel energy is also a major health hazard in industrial
> >> countries, responsible for 50,000 to 100,000 premature deaths and 400
> >> billion dollars in health costs a year in the U.S. alone, said Mark
> Jacobson
> >> an energy expert at Stanford University in California.
> >>
> >> "In the European Union, it is 350,000 premature deaths a year," Jacobson
> >> told IPS.
> >>
> >> SE4All was first announced in 2009. "Energy interacts with all of the
> >> development challenges we face," Kandeh Yumkella, director-general of
> the
> >> United Nations Industrial Development Organisation
> >> <
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/>
> >> told IPS at the launch.
> >>
> >> Energy experts calculate that decentralised, off-grid technologies like
> >> wind, solar, geothermal and micro-hydro energy generation are the
> fastest
> >> and most cost effective solutions. Extending current electrical grids
> only
> >> makes economic sense to meet 15-20 percent of the need due to the high
> >> costs.
> >>
> >> SE4All is well under way now, with more than 50 developing countries
> working
> >> on national plans to achieve the three goals of universal access,
> increasing
> >> renewable energy, and doubling the rate of improvement in energy
> efficiency.
> >>
> >> Since 80 percent of human carbon dioxide emissions come from the global
> >> energy system, Rogelj and colleagues at the International Institute for
> >> Applied Systems Analysis in Laxenberg, Austria wanted to quantify the
> impact
> >> on the global climate.
> >>
> >> "Achieving the three SE4ALL objectives could put the world on a path
> towards
> >> global climate protection," they
> >> <
> http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html
> >>> conclude in their paper "The UN's 'Sustainable Energy for All'
> initiative
> >> is compatible with a warming limit of 2 ?C".
> >>
> >> "Doing energy right will promote the Millennium Development Goals, such
> as
> >> poverty eradication and social empowerment, and at the same time
> kick-start
> >> the transition to a lower-carbon economy," says IIASA researcher David
> >> McCollum, who also worked on the study.
> >>
> >> "But the U.N.'s objectives must be complemented by a global agreement on
> >> controlling greenhouse gas emissions."
> >>
> >> Even if the targets are achieved, explosive economic growth coupled with
> >> greater energy use will overwhelm the climate protection benefits of
> SE4All.
> >> "There is an explicit need for a global cap on emissions," said Rogelj .
> >>
> >> Global carbon emissions were about 52 gigatonnes (billion metric
> tonnes) in
> >> 2012 and that means fossil fuel energy use must decline so emissions are
> >> about 41-47 Gt by 2020 to have a reasonable chance of keeping global
> warming
> >> below two degrees C.
> >>
> >> The shift to green energy is under way. Every new megawatt added to the
> U.S.
> >> electricity supply in January came from renewables, and more than half
> of
> >> all new electricity generation in 2012 was also from renewables, not
> gas as
> >> often believed.
> >>
> >> Iceland has 81 percent renewable energy. Scotland has a mandate to
> achieve
> >> 100 percent renewable power supply by 2020. Denmark passed laws
> requiring
> >> that the whole energy supply - electricity, heating/cooling, and
> >> transportation - be met by renewable resources.
> >>
> >> Stanford's Jackobson, among others, have proposed detailed plans on how
> to
> >> meet 100 percent of the world's energy needs with green energy. Jacobson
> >> believes it could be done as soon as 2030.
> >>
> >> Costs for the SE4All plan are relatively modest at between 30 and 40
> billion
> >> dollars a year, a fraction of the 523 billion dollars in subsides for
> dirty
> >> energy in 2011, according to the International Energy Agency. By 2030,
> 300
> >> billion dollars a year will be needed to bring electricity into every
> home
> >> on the planet and prevent catastrophic climate change.
> >>
> >> Fossil fuel emission reductions will have to continue after 2030 and
> >> eventually decline to near zero in order to stay below two degrees C,
> said
> >> Rogelj.
> >>
> >> - See more at:
> >>
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/#sthash.bCVEtR8U.dpuf
> >>
> >>
> >
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