[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Topic 2

nari phaltan nariphaltan at gmail.com
Sun Mar 3 03:58:23 CST 2013


Dear Stovers,

You might be interested in this new invention of kerosene stove/lantern.
http://www.cseindia.org/userfiles/Lantern%20that%20cooks.pdf

the CO levels in the huts were < 5 ppm when using this lantern.

Cheers.

Anil

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Otto Formo <terra-matricula at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Dear Dean,
>
> I dont disagree, but why not introduce some improvements, apart from the ordinary
> lamps, like this PETROMAX made in GERMANY from 1961, see link on YouTube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_yMV9RS4yo
>
> or if you are looking for kerosene stoves, this OPTIMUS from the early
> 1960 too, see link:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU1BoPon05Y
>
> I have one myself and we used it a lot in the Armed Forces during the
> "Cold War".......:)
>
> We are about to introduce a solution with TEGs linked to a gasifierstove,
> able to charge a 50 Amp car battery, very soon.
>
> Have a nice weekend.
>
> Otto F.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:09:11 -0800
> From: deankstill at gmail.com
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Topic 2
>
> Hi Otto,
>
> Yes, I'll be in Cambodia.
>
> I think that informing users of kerosene lamps how they can get rid of the
> soot could be helpful just as making other options available is a great
> idea.
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Otto Formo <terra-matricula at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>  Dear Dean and Crispin,
>
> But you need to buy Kerosene, which costs close to two US $ per litre in
> Zambia, and are still fossil fuel.
>
> We prefer waste biomass as fuel, for free and available everywhere.
>
> Will you be attending the conference in Cambodia?
>
> Otto
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:04 -0800om: deankstill at gmail.com
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Topic 2
>
> http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery
>
> Hi Crispin,
>
> I agree that blaming kerosene instead of the lamp for making soot misses
> the opportunity to fix the problem not by switching fuels but by just
> fixing the lamp. Kelley Grabow and Ed Wilson did
> dome preliminary investigation shown in a video above that seemed to
> indicate that fixing the lamp might be pretty simple.
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Geoff Thomas <wind at iig.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Crispin that link required some un-related password to do with
> Microsoft.
> > <
> https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg<https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20%5bStoves%5d%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg>
> >
> No way it could be viewed.
> Cheers,
> Geoff.
>
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> >   2. Re: Gas Bottle TLUDs (Elisha Moore-Delate)
> >   3. Re: [biochar] Re:  ~Stoves and STEM education~ (Erin Rasmussen)
> >   4. Re: Skoll article on HAP research (nari phaltan)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:07:23 -0500
> > From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
> >       <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research
> > Message-ID: <00ce01ce15ef$3a1b7c90$ae5275b0$@gmail.com>
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> > Dear Christina
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the pointer.
> >
> >
> >
> > For the benefit of readers I would like to raise one point about the
> emissions and the fuel.
> >
> >
> >
> > ?Getting Good Data Could be Easy
> >
> > ?If solid fuel cook stoves and kerosene lanterns are used in the same
> households, then getting the answers we need may be straightforward and low
> cost. While in the field, mothers being surveyed about their use of solid
> fuel cook stoves could also be asked a few questions about their use of
> kerosene for lighting. Some additional field observations could be
> recorded. Existing resources allocated to studies planned for cook stoves
> research could be very easily leveraged to quickly and inexpensively begin
> to build a body of knowledge about the effects of kerosene lighting.?
> >
> > The article also says that ?A recent Environmental Science and
> Technology <mailto:http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es302697h>
>  article reports that as much as 10% of kerosene smoke is pure black carbon
> (soot) ? 20 times higher than previous studies had found.?
> >
> >
> >
> > The black carbon content of kerosene smoke is highly variable. It
> depends on what lantern is used and the power setting. The article speaks
> as if the emissions are created by the fuel and that worries me. This is an
> old fashioned view. It is like saying that ?wood is a smoky fuel?. It
> depends on the stove that is burning the wood, and how, doesn?t it? There
> is no doubt that one lantern may create 20 times as much black carbon
> particles as another lantern, but this tells us nothing about the fuel, it
> tells us about the lanterns.
> >
> >
> >
> > One alternative to a smoky kerosene lantern is a clean burning kerosene
> lantern.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Crispin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf
> Of Christina Espinosa
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:50 PM
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > Subject: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of
> interest:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:26:20 -0500
> > From: "Elisha Moore-Delate" <emdelate at chemonics.com>
> > To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
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> > Thanks Crispin. Appreciate the lovely photos and info.
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> > From: Stoves on behalf of Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
> > Sent: Tue 2/26/2013 11:26 PM
> > To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'
> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas Bottle TLUDs
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> >
> >
> > Dear Elisha
> >
> >
> >
> > What a great idea - so many harmonies.  In Mozambique old gas bottles
> are widely used as charcoal cooking pots, cut lengthwise from tip to
> bottom, after the valve has been removed.
> >
> >
> >
> > They last a really long time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are two types, one with the cylinder used vertically, one
> horizontally.
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> >
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> > <
> https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg<https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20%5bStoves%5d%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg>
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> > Baseline charcoal stoves in Maputo, Mozambique
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> > This might be of interest to the stovers that kerosene can be made into a
> > very clean burning fuel just like LPG.
> > http://www.cseindia.org/userfiles/Lantern%20that%20cooks.pdf
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Anil
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> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Christina Espinosa <
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> >
> >> Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of
> >> interest:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/
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> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject:      Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of Poverty
> > and Climate
> > Date:         Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:23:44 -0500
> > From:         Robert Korol
> > To:   Sfp Notices-list" <sfpnotices at physics.utoronto.ca>
> >
> >
> >
> > Carla - thank goodness we are getting the power houses of our economic
> engines like the*World Bank*  on side with respect to green energy.
> >  Maybe there is hope for the world after all!
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:42:37 -0500
> >  "Carla"<carla.wong at utoronto.ca>  wrote:
> >> Source:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/
> >>
> >>
> >> Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of Poverty and Climate
> >>
> >> By Stephen Leahy
> >>
> >>
> >> UXBRIDGE, Canada, Feb 25 2013 (IPS) - Green energy is the only way to
> bring
> >> billions of people out of energy poverty and prevent a climate
> disaster, a
> >> new study reveals.
> >>
> >> Conservative institutions like the World Bank, the International Energy
> >> Agency and accounting giant Price Waterhouse Coopers (PwC) all warn
> humanity
> >> is on a path to climate catastrophe unless fossil fuel energy is
> replaced by
> >> green energy.
> >>
> >> The U.N.'s/*Sustainable Energy for All*/  initiative intends to bring
> universal
> >> access to modern energy, doubling the share of renewable energy
> globally,
> >> and doubling the rate of improvement in energy efficiency by 2030.
> >>
> >> Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition away
> from
> >> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand.
> >>
> >> If those targets are met and similar efforts undertaken to*reduce
> >> deforestation*, then climate disaster can be avoided, said Joeri Rogelj
> of
> >> the<http://www.iac.ethz.ch/>   Institute for Atmospheric and Climate
> Science
> >> in Zurich  who headed the analysis published Sunday in the journal
> >> <http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html>  Nature Climate Change.
> >>
> >> "Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition away
> from
> >> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand," Rogelj told IPS.
> >>
> >> The U.N.<http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/>  Sustainable Energy
> for
> >> All (SE4All)  initiative is ambitious, but brings a wide range of
> benefits
> >> including improvements in health, less air pollution and makes the
> >> all-important break from increasing fossil fuel energy use. The analysis
> >> shows the costs of SE4All is far less than the public subsidies the
> fossil
> >> fuel industry currently receives, he said.
> >>
> >> Nearly three billion people still use fire for cooking and heating. Of
> >> those, some 1.5 billion people have no access to electricity. For a
> billion
> >> more, their only access is to sporadic and unreliable electricity
> networks.
> >> Indoor air pollution from burning dung, charcoal, and wood for heating
> and
> >> cooking leads to nearly two million premature deaths of women and
> children
> >> every year, more than all the deaths from malaria and tuberculosis.
> >>
> >> Dirty fossil fuel energy is also a major health hazard in industrial
> >> countries, responsible for 50,000 to 100,000 premature deaths and 400
> >> billion dollars in health costs a year in the U.S. alone, said Mark
> Jacobson
> >> an energy expert at Stanford University in California.
> >>
> >> "In the European Union, it is 350,000 premature deaths a year," Jacobson
> >> told IPS.
> >>
> >> SE4All was first announced in 2009. "Energy interacts with all of the
> >> development challenges we face," Kandeh Yumkella, director-general of
> the
> >> United Nations Industrial Development Organisation
> >> <
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/>
> >> told IPS at the launch.
> >>
> >> Energy experts calculate that decentralised, off-grid technologies like
> >> wind, solar, geothermal and micro-hydro energy generation are the
> fastest
> >> and most cost effective solutions. Extending current electrical grids
> only
> >> makes economic sense to meet 15-20 percent of the need due to the high
> >> costs.
> >>
> >> SE4All is well under way now, with more than 50 developing countries
> working
> >> on national plans to achieve the three goals of universal access,
> increasing
> >> renewable energy, and doubling the rate of improvement in energy
> efficiency.
> >>
> >> Since 80 percent of human carbon dioxide emissions come from the global
> >> energy system, Rogelj and colleagues at the International Institute for
> >> Applied Systems Analysis in Laxenberg, Austria wanted to quantify the
> impact
> >> on the global climate.
> >>
> >> "Achieving the three SE4ALL objectives could put the world on a path
> towards
> >> global climate protection," they
> >> <
> http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html
> >>> conclude in their paper "The UN's 'Sustainable Energy for All'
> initiative
> >> is compatible with a warming limit of 2 ?C".
> >>
> >> "Doing energy right will promote the Millennium Development Goals, such
> as
> >> poverty eradication and social empowerment, and at the same time
> kick-start
> >> the transition to a lower-carbon economy," says IIASA researcher David
> >> McCollum, who also worked on the study.
> >>
> >> "But the U.N.'s objectives must be complemented by a global agreement on
> >> controlling greenhouse gas emissions."
> >>
> >> Even if the targets are achieved, explosive economic growth coupled with
> >> greater energy use will overwhelm the climate protection benefits of
> SE4All.
> >> "There is an explicit need for a global cap on emissions," said Rogelj .
> >>
> >> Global carbon emissions were about 52 gigatonnes (billion metric
> tonnes) in
> >> 2012 and that means fossil fuel energy use must decline so emissions are
> >> about 41-47 Gt by 2020 to have a reasonable chance of keeping global
> warming
> >> below two degrees C.
> >>
> >> The shift to green energy is under way. Every new megawatt added to the
> U.S.
> >> electricity supply in January came from renewables, and more than half
> of
> >> all new electricity generation in 2012 was also from renewables, not
> gas as
> >> often believed.
> >>
> >> Iceland has 81 percent renewable energy. Scotland has a mandate to
> achieve
> >> 100 percent renewable power supply by 2020. Denmark passed laws
> requiring
> >> that the whole energy supply - electricity, heating/cooling, and
> >> transportation - be met by renewable resources.
> >>
> >> Stanford's Jackobson, among others, have proposed detailed plans on how
> to
> >> meet 100 percent of the world's energy needs with green energy. Jacobson
> >> believes it could be done as soon as 2030.
> >>
> >> Costs for the SE4All plan are relatively modest at between 30 and 40
> billion
> >> dollars a year, a fraction of the 523 billion dollars in subsides for
> dirty
> >> energy in 2011, according to the International Energy Agency. By 2030,
> 300
> >> billion dollars a year will be needed to bring electricity into every
> home
> >> on the planet and prevent catastrophic climate change.
> >>
> >> Fossil fuel emission reductions will have to continue after 2030 and
> >> eventually decline to near zero in order to stay below two degrees C,
> said
> >> Rogelj.
> >>
> >> - See more at:
> >>
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/#sthash.bCVEtR8U.dpuf
> >>
> >>
> >
> > - - - - - - -
> > Robert Korol
> > Professor emeritus, Civil Engineering
> > McMaster University
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