[Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts

Thu Jan 9 11:10:54 CST 2014

Dear Ranyee and all,

I am very happy to see and learn that GACC has an open mined towards production and distribution of stoves and (biomass)fuel.

I belive in smale scale mobile PTO units for refinement of fuel (woodchips and pellet), incl. training and information campains from basic use of a "Panga" to Manpowered driven simple woodchippers,  linked to existing transportation channels.

The same channel for transportation of fuel could, bring flatpacks back to the rural areas on their return travel from the larger cities.

We would be very happy to incl. such a scheme to our pilot on production of pellet from woodwaste and sawdust, linked to assembly of stoves by prison inmates from flatpacks, throughout Zambia.

To start with the Copperbelt, where most sawmills are situated in the region.

Kind regards

Otto

> From: rchiang at cleancookstoves.org
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org; ethos at vrac.iastate.edu
> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 14:22:09 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized	stove	efforts
> 
> Interesting topics for further discussion at ETHOS.  A good way to frame this discussion may be to think about ways that the different types of efforts can be integrated together, or how they can learn from each other.  Certainly from the Global Alliance's point of view, both types of efforts are important and require different types of tailored support.  It would be useful to hear some discussion about the specifics of the tailored support that is needed in each case.  And overall, I think that a discussion focused "and" not "versus" would be quite interesting.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ranyee
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 3:33 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS - Listserve
> Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts
> 
> Ben,
> 
> Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
> it, and to whom?   Any viable contacts that could be reached for further
> clarification?
> 
> In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far
> fewer funds.   Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that
> favor those who can lobby and have the money already.    Because that is
> not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized
> efforts even in relatively small geographic areas?
> 
> Paul
> 
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
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> On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
> > Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message of mass production and distribution by development industry players.
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Paal, and all,
> >>
> >> As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.
> >>
> >> The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of the affluent world is for centralized industrial production.   That centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC  and WB and many who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the funding.   And they present very convincing arguments.   (If they could not, they would not be in control of the situation.)
> >>
> >> It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having major impacts.   Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one example.
> >>
> >> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> >> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> >> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> >> Website:  www.drtlud.com
> >>
> >> On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
> >>> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate, but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove list I have come to this conclusion.
> >>>>
> >>>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> ·         Registration of local waste combustible biomass.
> >>>>
> >>>> ·         Use of local resources
> >>>>
> >>>> ·         Biochar production by cooking.
> >>>>
> >>>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low income groups all around the worl
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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