[Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts

Sat Jan 11 08:26:28 CST 2014

Well written,  teddy!
On Jan 11, 2014 5:27 AM, "Cookswell Jikos" <cookswelljikos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> This is a very interesting discussion that I have been happily following
> during my travels this last week. I find that discussions like these help
> to define the complexities of the biomass cookstove sector. I often wonder
> what other non-electric domestic cooking appliances attract such passionate
> players and great thinkers in their respective product lines.
>
> I personally have been lucky enough to have been somewhat involved in both
> ends of this question of centralized and decentralized manufacture of
> cookstoves - my late dad, Dr. Max Kinyanjui, would tell me of how once he
> almost quite the KCJ (Kenya Ceramic Jiko) project when centralized
> production was initially suggested, and thankfully he did not. Today I am
> currently looking into designing flat pack systems for KCJ's and other
> associated sheet metal cut outs ( charcoal making drum kilns, charcoal
> baking ovens etc.) that can be locally assembled by networks of existing
> manufactures; this is mainly to reduce raw material transport and waste
> issues, increase standardization levels, increase customer/stove maker
> interactions and to reduce end user costs.
>
> I feel that one major design achievement to enhance stove dissemination
> (but is perhaps a bit bad business) is to create something that is so
> useful and easy to use, understand and make money off of, to huge range of
> potential customers that replication, sometimes for the better, many times
> for the worse, snowballs the technology into the kitchens of the ones
> needing it most.
>
> To the Cookswell/Kinyanjui family, seeing our inventions and designs being
> copied and sold in many countries by many levels of manufacturers is one of
> the most satisfactory feelings of being good stove makers. We also very
> much hope that more people will also begin to take the time to appreciate
> the value of conducting a holistic manufacturing process that gives due
> consideration to the life cycle analysis of the product(s) in question.
>
> And as we continue exploring not only the stove, but the entire
> ''seed-to-ash'' cycle of household biomass energy, I would just like to
> send a vote of thanks to all those who actively contribute and manage this
> list serve, it is very good stove reading.
>
> Happy new years and all the best to all,
>
> Teddy Kinyanjui
>
> Sustainability Director
>
> *Cookswell Jikos*
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> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ranyee Chiang <rchiang at cleancookstoves.org
> > wrote:
>
>> Interesting topics for further discussion at ETHOS.  A good way to frame
>> this discussion may be to think about ways that the different types of
>> efforts can be integrated together, or how they can learn from each other.
>>  Certainly from the Global Alliance's point of view, both types of efforts
>> are important and require different types of tailored support.  It would be
>> useful to hear some discussion about the specifics of the tailored support
>> that is needed in each case.  And overall, I think that a discussion
>> focused "and" not "versus" would be quite interesting.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ranyee
>> ________________________________________
>> From: ethos-bounces at vrac.iastate.edu <ethos-bounces at vrac.iastate.edu> on
>> behalf of Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 3:33 PM
>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS - Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove
>> efforts
>>
>> Ben,
>>
>> Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
>> it, and to whom?   Any viable contacts that could be reached for further
>> clarification?
>>
>> In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far
>> fewer funds.   Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that
>> favor those who can lobby and have the money already.    Because that is
>> not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized
>> efforts even in relatively small geographic areas?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
>> On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
>> > Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there
>> consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message
>> of mass production and distribution by development industry players.
>> >
>> > B
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Paal, and all,
>> >>
>> >> As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards
>> are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.
>> >>
>> >> The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized
>> production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of
>> the affluent world is for centralized industrial production.   That
>> centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC  and WB and many
>> who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major
>> issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the
>> funding.   And they present very convincing arguments.   (If they could
>> not, they would not be in control of the situation.)
>> >>
>> >> It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having
>> major impacts.   Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one
>> example.
>> >>
>> >> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step
>> forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> >> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> >> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> >> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>> >>
>> >> On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
>> >>> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate,
>> but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove
>> list I have come to this conclusion.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or
>> decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on
>> the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration
>> the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass
>> fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and
>> agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of
>> different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·         Registration of local waste combustible biomass.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·         Use of local resources
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·         Biochar production by cooking.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low
>> income groups all around the worl
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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