[Stoves] GACC Stove Summit is LIVE NOW Thurs

Ronal W. Larson rongretlarson at comcast.net
Thu Nov 20 19:24:59 CST 2014


Paul cc List

Thanks for the alert.  I missed a few minutes at the beginning and during the meeting, but think I caught most.  This is to hope to hear what others thought who might have listened in.

Some of my thoughts  (random order - lots missed as I didn’t keep notes;  there are likely going to be tapes available):

	a.  Was well run - a good cross section of stove-knowledgeable folk - many from outside the US.  The head of US EPA,  Gina McArthy,  gave a strong talk; she has been active in stoves longer than I realized (she and many others emphasized gender issues).  She made brief mention of EPA stove testing, but I didn’t hear EPA’s name again.

	b.   I was surprised and disappointed that a majority of the dialog was on switching to LPG stoves.   I never once heard the terms “rocket” and “TLUD”.   There were quite a few comments about needing to make major changes in LPG industry to get a switch to LPG.

	c.  Some also on switching to electrically powered stoves - but maybe a realization that will take more time.  Electricity was not a focus here.  LNG dominant probably because it is already pretty widely used and is claimed to be clean.  I need to learn more about LNG stoves - both emissions and costs.  I never heard the words “alcohol stoves”.

	d.  I never once heard the word biochar, and really little on climate (LPG and electricity not going to be climate-helpful).  Kirk Smith noted that LPG cooking by the poor would not be a serious climate issue. 

	e.  Kirk Smith made a very strong statement about how horrible traditional charcoal “mound” kilns are in releasing global warming gases.  If anyone knows of specific GHG release data, I’d appreciate hearing that.  But overall, I heard little negative on the use of charcoal, except a few comments on deforestation.  Kirk said wood burning stoves would have to be fan driven and use pellets to meet (recent, new) WHO stove (?) guidelines.  These were referred to frequently, but I don’t have a specific cite.  Maybe http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs292/en/  and  http://www.who.int/indoorair/en/   ?

	f.  The term 4.3 million annual deaths was given often.  This was an indoor air quality meeting.  It would be a big help to compare LPG and tier 4 performance on particulates. Anyone have that?

	g.  Only a few comments re solar cookers  (and I think that sad).

	h.  One whole panel on the ISO process and Tiers.  I was surprised that one stove representative was saying they would have trouble getting to Tier 3.

	i.  Another panel on financing.  We may see some big money for stove companies.  A good many comments on the need for large company involvement.

	j.  Some good leads at https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cookstoves?src=hash .

	k.  Tomorrow is the day for trying to build up a larger pot of funds.  I think that is a closed (non-video) meeting.

	l.   Some interesting data on how much better women are than men in selling improved stoves.

	m.  One specialist (former student of Kirk Smith) on health aspects of stoves - with follow-up question asked by Nat Mulcahy. 

	n.   Overall - this was an important stove meeting - but not much in line with dialog on this list (which never/rarely talks of LNG).

Other thoughts?

Ron



On Nov 20, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

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