[Stoves] A continuous feed rice husk gasifier for parboiling 40 kg of rice?
Joshua Guinto
jed.building.bridges at gmail.com
Thu Feb 19 15:56:44 CST 2015
Dear Dr. Paul and Joe and Serge.
Greetings!
This is also very interesting for me. As you know i was all the while
tinkering with the terra cotta equivalents of the gasifier stoves. And i
just have one on the making. For the lack of better name i call it the
Brick Stove Carbonizer.
Last night, i found a video in the you tube and it helped greatly to
understand parboiling as this is the first time for me to learn about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNUlsnIO_1A
My idea to combined the best features of four technological fronts for the
need of Serge in parboiling:
*Joshua B. Guinto*Specialist, Appropriate Technology
MSc Management of AgroEcological Knowledge and Social Change (MAKS)
Wageningen University, The Netherlands
2015-02-20 3:10 GMT+08:00 Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>:
> Dear Serge and Abraham,
>
> I am not sure in what country Abraham lives. Please tell us. It is
> interesting that two messages about parboiling of rice arrived so close
> together in time.
>
> The rest of this message relates to Serge's message:
>
> 1. Please confirm the following:
> A. The people who parboil the rice are doing it as a business.
> B. Do those same people remove the husks from the barboiled rice? If
> yes, then they have control over their own fuel supply, which is good.
>
> C. The rice must reach a temperature of 80 deg C. But how critical is
> it that the time to reach that temperature is about 30 minutes? What if
> it took 45 minutes? or only 20 minutes? Does that have any impact on the
> rice itself?
>
> D. How do the people know that it has reached about 80 C? Thermometer?
> Visual seeing of small bubbles rising? Touch? That does not make any
> difference. I am just curious.
>
> E. The steaming of the hot wet rice is the crucial step. We will try
> for boiling (evaporating away) 6 L of water in one hour. But how
> sensitive is that time? And if the time needs to be close to one hour,
> and if the stove is boiling away the water too fast, is it acceptable to
> have 7 or 8 liters for creation of the steam. In other words, steam (at
> 100 deg C) needs to pass through the rice. Is the amount of steam (from 6
> liters of water) the important issue, or is steam for one hour (whether
> from 6 or 7 or 8 liters) the important issue?
>
> 2. Joe James (who is receiving this message) has recently worked on a
> rice husk TLUD gasifier that should be able to accomplish the specified
> tasks. Joe is an engineer and can crank out some of the numbers. Also
> some other members of this Stoves Listserv could be of assistance. Here
> are the questions:
> How much heat is needed to vaporize 6 L of water?
> Raise 6000 g of water from about 25 C to 100 C
> (75 degree change x _______ Joules per gram x 6000 = ___________)
> Then add in the latent heat needed for vaporizing the 6000 g.
>
> Divide that total amount of heat by 60 minutes.
>
> Determine how much rice husk is needed to get the needed heat (allow for
> efficiency of heat transfer to be as low as 30%.)
>
> This not my specialty, but I know it all can be calculated. Also to
> calculate the heat needed to bring the pot to 80 deg C in the first phase
> of the processing. A little assistance would be appreciated.
>
> Then we see how much heat Joe's unit (called JJQuad TLUD) can put out.
> The unit can be made larger or smaller, and having 2 units might be the
> better option. Or we increase the air flow (via the fan) to get faster
> pyrolysis, and maybe we need to have a refill of fuel into the batch
> gasifier. This does not take long to refill and reignite.
>
> 3. Subject to actually making things happen, in my opinion the best
> "evident" option is to have a rice husk gasifier provide the heat by using
> the husks from the rice as fuel for the parboiling businesses are creating.
>
> 4. The production of at JJQuad TLUD is being examined in Vietnam at this
> time. We are assisted with this by Dylan Maxwell and Olivier Kolmel, who
> are also receiving this message. There are issues being examined about
> fans and controls and metal quality and production. This is not a quick
> solution, but it is quite viable, in my opinion.
>
> 5. Serge, I would like to know about the number of parboiled-rice
> producers you are considering could need such a solution. Also, please
> tell us about metal working (thin sheet metal) capabilities in Benin, and
> accessible. Also, I would appreciate information about you and your
> involvement and situation (with an NGO?).
>
> It might be time for this conversation to not be on the Stove Listserv, or
> after any replies by Joe or Dylan and Olivier. Any readers who have
> continuing interest should probably tell me and Serge so that we can keep
> you informed.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website: www.drtlud.com
>
> On 2/19/2015 5:21 AM, Serge Horsmans wrote:
>
>> Dear Paul and ,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your quick response. Please find the answers
>> to the questions asked.
>>
>> 1. How important is it to convert to using the rice husks as fuel for
>> the parboiling process? I believe that use of the rice husk as fuel
>> is NOT the priority. As Serge and Abraham have stated, the main
>> concern is to reduce the use of large amounts of wood. Appropriately
>> sized TLUD gasifiers with wood fuel (or Rocket burners of sticks)
>> could accomplish the task of reducing the amount of wood being burned.
>> This would be with natural draft.
>>
>> At this moment I have to list the possibilities of not using firewood
>> in the parboiling process. The use of a rice husk gasifier seems to
>> me one of those possibilities. So I would like to continue with rice
>> husk, as it is easily available. So at this moment I would like to
>> answer the question, “Is somebody using a rice husk gasifier that that
>> can heat water to a temperature of about 80°C in about 30 min.? And
>> can the same stove be used to boil away 6 l. of water In about 1 h.?”.
>> If there is such a stove I would like to know and I will added to my
>> list. Next we might want to test that one first.
>>
>> 2. IF rice husks are to be used with a TLUD gasfier, it would
>> required Force Air (or Fan Assistance) (FA), and that would require a
>> small amount of electricity. With the parboiling being done in the
>> daytime, a solar cell could be used, even without a battery. What
>> are the availabilities of small electrical power in the locations of
>> either Abraham's or Serge's operations?
>>
>> I was aware that fan assistance would be needed. We do have the
>> possibility to provide the required electricity.
>>
>> 3. Please comment on the frequency of doing the parboiling task.
>> Abraham, is your operation run every day? Frequency of use can
>> impact favorably the ability of maintain equipment such as a fan unit
>> or battery / solar package.
>>
>> Maintenance will not be a problem.
>>
>> 4. For the 25 L quantities described by Serge, there is really no
>> need to have a continuous operating gasifier. Either the unit could
>> be large enough for the stated durations of usage (30 minutes to raise
>> to 80 C; and one hour for the steaming). To boil away (evaporate) 6
>> L of water in one hour can be accomplished; but some attention should
>> be paid to the configuration under the pot, such as possibly having a
>> pot-skirt or other ways to improve heat retention and heat transfer.
>> This is NOT a situation requiring a good turn down ratio to obtain Low
>> Power cooking.
>>
>> We will use the configuration you can see on the pictures where the
>> rice is steamed or use a pot skirt. We might not need a continuous
>> operating gasifier but as the operations will be performed outdoor,
>> wind or other environmental factors might slow down the heating,
>> requiring more fuel. What ever type we will use, we need to make sure
>> that the parboiling can be finished. The aim of our study is to
>> improve the livelihood of the rice parboilers in Benin. If the
>> parboiling process cannot be finished, the paddy might get spoiled and
>> they will not have an income, they will loose the money they used to
>> buy the paddy instead. That should be avoided. So if we go on with
>> batch gasifiers, we might have to oversize the unit.
>>
>> 5. As we close in on the topic, we need to discuss who will lead the
>> efforts (management) to accomplish the tasks, and who will pay for the
>> expenses (finances). Strong communications via email are quite
>> important. Skype is useful. Access to some sheet-metal workers is
>> important for the fabrication of the TLUDs. The cost of materials
>> should not be very high, but the issues and costs of management and
>> labor can be easy or difficult, depending on the circumstances.
>>
>> It is going very fast now and I 'm very happy with your enthusiasm !
>> But as you can read in the answer on your first question, right now I
>> am listing the possibilities of not using firewood in the parboiling
>> process. So my first question is, can we banish firewood using those
>> stoves? Or more in detail, I want to know “Is there an existing rice
>> husk gasifier that that can heat water to a temperature of about 80°C
>> in about 30 min.? And can the same stove be used to boil away 6 l. of
>> water In about 1 h.?”. If there is not such a stove, we will have
>> to compare the different possibilities to banish firewood in the
>> parboiling of rice in Benin. The rice husk gasifiers will be an
>> option. Next we might consider to design one ourselves and your help
>> will be really appreciated. As we have experience in Benin with
>> dissemination of new technologies, we might start to built them and
>> provide them. But we are not that far yet.
>>
>> 6. Are Serge and Abraham close together, and working together? If
>> not, each should describe their specific situations. Please send us
>> your views of possible plans for moving forward.
>>
>> I would like to know more about Abraham and his project. As
>> mentioned we are in Benin and at the moment I live in Savalou,
>> department Les Collines. For my view, please read my answer on
>> question 5. I like to know more about your views.
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Serge
>>
>> 2015-02-18 19:30 GMT+01:00, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>:
>>
>>> Dear Serge and Abraham,
>>>
>>> The photos from Serge are very helpful. Photos from Abraham will show
>>> the larger system that they use.
>>>
>>> There are a few questions and issues.
>>>
>>> 1. How important is it to convert to using the rice husks as fuel for
>>> the parboiling process? I believe that use of the rice husk as fuel is
>>> NOT the priority. As Serge and Abraham have stated, the main concern
>>> is to reduce the use of large amounts of wood. Appropriately sized TLUD
>>> gasifiers with wood fuel (or Rocket burners of sticks) could accomplish
>>> the task of reducing the amount of wood being burned. This would be
>>> with natural draft.
>>>
>>> 2. _IF _rice husks are to be used with a TLUD gasfier, it would required
>>> Force Air (or Fan Assistance) (FA), and that would require a small
>>> amount of electricity. With the parboiling being done in the daytime,
>>> a solar cell could be used, even without a battery. What are the
>>> availabilities of small electrical power in the locations of either
>>> Abraham's or Serge's operations?
>>>
>>> 3. Please comment on the frequency of doing the parboiling task.
>>> Abraham, is your operation run every day? Frequency of use can impact
>>> favorably the ability of maintain equipment such as a fan unit or
>>> battery / solar package.
>>>
>>> 4. For the 25 L quantities described by Serge, there is really no need
>>> to have a continuous operating gasifier. Either the unit could be
>>> large enough for the stated durations of usage (30 minutes to raise to
>>> 80 C; and one hour for the steaming). To boil away (evaporate) 6 L of
>>> water in one hour can be accomplished; but some attention should be paid
>>> to the configuration under the pot, such as possibly having a pot-skirt
>>> or other ways to improve heat retention and heat transfer. This is NOT
>>> a situation requiring a good turn down ratio to obtain Low Power cooking.
>>>
>>> 5. As we close in on the topic, we need to discuss who will lead the
>>> efforts (management) to accomplish the tasks, and who will pay for the
>>> expenses (finances). Strong communications via email are quite
>>> important. Skype is useful. Access to some sheet-metal workers is
>>> important for the fabrication of the TLUDs. The cost of materials
>>> should not be very high, but the issues and costs of management and
>>> labor can be easy or difficult, depending on the circumstances.
>>>
>>> 6. Are Serge and Abraham close together, and working together? If not,
>>> each should describe their specific situations. Please send us your
>>> views of possible plans for moving forward.
>>>
>>
>> Dr TLUD
>>>
>>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>>> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
>>> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>>> Website: www.drtlud.com
>>>
>>> On 2/18/2015 5:01 AM, Serge Horsmans wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Paul (and other insiders),
>>>>
>>>> thank you very much for your attention to my request. Below you will
>>>> find the questions and the answers. Please ask for more information
>>>> if needed.
>>>>
>>>> 1. What heat source(s) are you currently using? Do you have
>>>> batch-operations of rice husk gasifiers already? What is good and
>>>> what is bad about them?
>>>>
>>>> At the moment we are using fire wood as the heat source. We are not
>>>> using gasifiers and I don't have any experience with them, but it
>>>> seems to me that continuous flow gasifiers are more appropriate since
>>>> once the heating of the soak water or the steaming is started, it
>>>> should not be interrupted by refilling the batch. It is hard to find
>>>> gasifiers in Africa.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Is your operation the only one, or could there be other similar
>>>> businesses that might also want to improve their heat sources?
>>>>
>>>> I am not too much aware of the other businesses, but it is easy to
>>>> guess that if it is affordable technology, it will as well be adopted
>>>> by local restaurants. For one or other reason this technology didn't
>>>> reach Africa yet.
>>>> In Benin, it is mainly women that parboil rice. Recently a new
>>>> device for parboiling has been introduced to improve the quality of
>>>> the parboiled rice. An educational video, in which rural women
>>>> explain how to use the improved rice-parboiling technology and its
>>>> benefits, was
>>>> developed by AfricaRice in 2005 to promote this technology to
>>>> end-users. The video-supported training tool has contributed
>>>> significantly to the
>>>> diffusion of the technology in Central Benin. This video has been
>>>> used by many NGOs. It is now the common device in Benin. So the same
>>>> might be done with the gasifier. All organisations that support those
>>>> women might adopt the gasifiers as they all want to reduce the use of
>>>> fire wood.
>>>>
>>>> 3. I assume that all of the associated structures are in place,
>>>> functional, and are expected to be part of the new operation.
>>>> Structures such as the large vessels (pots, trays, cauldrons, etc.)
>>>> and also the boiler.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, though I don't know what you mean about the boiler... it is just
>>>> wood placed below the cauldron .
>>>> Any heat source that can be used to heat water in a cauldron could be
>>>> used as the device is basically a cauldron containing about 25 l. of
>>>> water for soaking the paddy. The same cauldron is afterwards used
>>>> for steaming the paddy with about 6l. of water ( I will add some
>>>> pictures). Since firewood and charcoal have always been used and is
>>>> easily available, they continue to use firewood or charcoal. By
>>>> introducing the gasifiers we would like to reduce the use of firewood.
>>>> - Soaking process: heat paddy in 25 l. of water to a temperature of
>>>> about 80°C, it takes about 30 min. Next let it cool down during the
>>>> night in the cauldron.
>>>> - Steaming process: You take a paddy holding vat and a cauldron (a
>>>> similar cauldron as for the soaking). The paddy holding vat is
>>>> perforated with holes (maximum diameter 2.5 mm) from its base to about
>>>> a quarter
>>>> of the way up its body . The paddy rice is poured into
>>>> the vat, which is inserted in the cauldron containing 6l. of water.
>>>> The water level in
>>>> the cauldron is such that it does not reach the bottom of the paddy
>>>> holding vat. The improved
>>>> method prevents water in the cauldron from getting into the paddy,
>>>> only the steam
>>>> generated from the boiling water in the cauldron passes through the
>>>> perforated vat to
>>>> parboil (steam) the paddy rice. It takes about 1 hour.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Please send us some photos of the existing installation. There are
>>>> issues such as height of the boiler above ground that can influence
>>>> what options could be for the new "fire box."
>>>>
>>>> I will add some. Please ask for more if needed.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Are you or others in your area interested in biochar from the rice
>>>> husks? If so, a pyrolyzer (rather than a full process gasifier)
>>>> might be more appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Hard to say. The women parboiling the rice are not same as the ones
>>>> cultivating the rice. So they will not use the biochar as a soil
>>>> conditioner. I have no clear idea what could be done with biochar...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for your attention to my request. I 'm looking forward
>>>> to hear from you again.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Serge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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