[Stoves] Patong Patong The Brick Stove Carbonizer Jan to June 2015.pdf

Fri Jun 5 09:53:30 CDT 2015

My goal is to have a stove that can be manufactured by village artisanal
workshops with a regulatory entity that ensures the quality and safety. I
also hope that there would be a social enterprise that would support the
purchase of the stoves in favor of the struggling food entrepreneur.
Finally i would hope that the food business sector will eventually shift
towards the use of sustainable fuel supplies and then help regenerate our
denuded forests, farms and gardens.

There is still a long way to go and there are so much that are still a lot
unknown.  Thanks for all the questions. I will use them as guideposts
towards these discoveries.

Regards

*Joshua B. Guinto*Specialist, Appropriate Technology
MSc Management of AgroEcological Knowledge and Social Change (MAKS)
Wageningen University, The Netherlands 2006 to 2008

2015-06-05 22:27 GMT+08:00 <cec1863 at gmail.com>:

> Bravo on all fronts. Assuming you can get efficiency up and emissions down
> so that the stove performs well on standard tests and equally well under
> real conditions of use outside the lab, now the operator, socio-economic,
> cultural, and environmental performance assessment begins: do we know who
> your PPBricStove is to be used by? Who will fork over the money to buy it
> after the performance settles down? Can it be modularized and mass produced
> or mass crafted in small workshops? Will it fly off out of the store or
> market stall without subsidy? Does it function well enough to be welcomed
> into most kitchens in your area and also by small scale commercial food
> vendors‎ and small scale home 'industrialists"? Can it compete head to head
> woith well established traditional stoves?
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>   *From: *Joshua Guinto
> *Sent: *Friday, June 5, 2015 7:53 AM
> *To: *Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> *Reply To: *Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> *Subject: *Re: [Stoves] Patong Patong The Brick Stove Carbonizer Jan to
> June 2015.pdf
>
> Dear Crispin
>
> Thanks for the compliments.
>
> About the pot rest, its still early to tell as the stove is just a few
> weeks old. But that will be a good point of observation, that is if it gets
> coated with sooth or the sooth gets burned all the way.
>
> I would like to promote the char making mechanism of this stove for
> several reasons.
>
> First is the charcoal here at my locality is more expensive than raw fuel.
> Canarium yields a premium kind of charcoal. The following is my quick
> computation of the local market prices of fuel and charcoal:
>
> *One set of meal for a person of six require about 2 kg.  of  canarium
> shells at a cost of Php 8 per meal or Php 24 daily. After each day, about
> 1.5 kg of char may be harvested and this has a market value of Php 37.50 !!* Thus
> a net of Php 13.50 daily.
>
> Retail stores sell charcoal at Php 10 per 400 gram packets. A family
> consumes at least 3 packets daily or at least Php 30 daily for wood
> charcoal for their meals.
>
>
> Another reason is because the char from gasification is of higher quality
> (porosity) than charcoal produced from conventional earth kilns. As an
> independent consultant, I am actively involved in waste management and
> urban gardening campaigns at disaster prone communities here in the
> Philippines. Stoves, bio char, waste management, sanitation and gardening
> comes  tightly altogether.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> JEd
>
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> *Joshua B. Guinto*Specialist, Appropriate Technology
> MSc Management of AgroEcological Knowledge and Social Change (MAKS)
> Wageningen University, The Netherlands 2006 to 2008
>
>
> 2015-06-05 9:43 GMT+08:00 Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at outlook.com>:
>
>> Dear Joshua
>>
>>
>>
>> I congratulate you on incorporating multiple innovations on the stove. I
>> really like the use of a handful of sand (or grog) as an air controller.
>> Usually available everywhere!
>>
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>>
>> The pot rest looks really strong. Does it get coated with soot?
>>
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>> I am wondering why you are creating charcoal instead of optimising the
>> operating cost. The fuel is purchased and the cost of operation would be
>> reduced if you burned the all fuel purchased. Does anyone want to buy the
>> charcoal from this process?
>>
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>>
>> Thanks
>> Crispin in Java
>>
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>> Joshua Guinto <jed.building.bridges at gmail.com> has shared the following
>> PDF:
>>
>> Patong Patong The Brick Stove Carbonizer Jan to June 2015.pdf
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_QmamNABHVRaVdIWTd3QXRoUnc/view?usp=sharing_eid&invite=CNmUnMUN>
>>
>> [image: Sender's profile photo]Dear Dr. Paul, Dean, Ron, Art, Anders,
>> Kirk, JJ, Jon, Richard, and Everyone
>>
>> I hereby share with you the second stage of my work on the brick stove
>> gasifier/carbonizer. It began from the lessons i learned during the 2014
>> Stove Camp at Aprovecho. where i learned how to overcome the limitations of
>> the holey roket i built. It was then when i realized the low firepower of
>> the stove, the difficulty of feeding the fuel and the fragility during
>> transport.
>>
>> Please see https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive
>>
>> From November 2014 until now, i tinkered with so many fronts:preparing
>> the best clay recipe, pulling in secondary air, making the shape and size
>> of each bricks, creating the moulds, designing the fuel ports, the air
>> controls, the metal shell, the pot rest, harvesting the char etc.
>>
>> I hereby share with you all my work in the attached photo narrative. At
>> the same time i would like to solicit more comments on how to improve
>> further, Also i would like to find support to have this stove model tested
>> in the laboratory.
>>
>> A smaller model for the kitchen in now underway on a test manufacturing
>> mode.
>>
>> Kind regards to everyone.
>>
>> Jed
>>
>>
>> Joshua B. GuintoSpecialist, Appropriate Technology
>> MSc Management of AgroEcological Knowledge and Social Change (MAKS)
>> Wageningen University, The Netherlands 2006 to 2008
>>
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