[Stoves] Designation of TLUD gasifier devices.

[nari phaltan]

Long ago Deng Xiaoping the Chinese leader said "What does it matter
whether the cat is black or white as long as it eats mice". What does
it matter if the stove is TLUD or BLUD or any other word LUD as long
as it produces good smokeless flame. Only insecure minds get entangled
with terminology.

On 9/22/15, Julien Winter <winter.julien at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All;
>
> I have to agree with Paul Anderson on having a clear definition of a TLUD.
> It is essential for the science of cookstoves, and combustion science, that
> terminology is clear and unambiguous.
>
> It is very clear to me what Paul means by the TLUD process.  There is a
> migrating pyrolytic front, and two phases of combustion can be identified:
> (1) flaming pyrolysis, followed by (2) bottom-up char combustion.
>
> It is a process that has under fed air at a rate slow enough that the
> ignition front is a flaming pyrolysis front, and not so fast that it is a
> complete combustion front.  It is a process that is burning a type of fuel
> that supports a migrating ignition front (and doesn't channel the fire to
> the grate).
>
> In science, the TLUD, as Paul describes it, is called a "paradigmatic
> example".  It is a special theoretical model against which other cases can
> be compared and contrasted.  These exemplars are vital to scientific
> discourse, hypothesis testing, and developing theories.
>
> When I search through the Web of Science, I will not find much on the
> keyword "TLUD" (yet), but I can find articles with close synonyms "pot
> stove" or "underfed batch combustion".   I haven't done a count, but I have
> about 50-75 articles where laboratories have experimented with what are
> ostensibly forced draft TLUDs.  I can trace the articles back to 1946.  I
> found these articles because the definitions of terms (although there are
> synonyms) are clear.  If that clarity didn't exist, the scientific
> literature would be impenetrable.  "TLUD" is not common in the academic
> literature yet, but it is a good synonym that is clearly understood in the
> general stove community.  When papers are published on TLUD stoves, they
> should include the close synonyms (above) in the list of key words below
> the abstract, so the article can be found.
>
> As for the stove world in general, there are "TLUD-like" stove/fuel
> combinations that may not fit the ideal description of a TLUD, but their
> mechanism can be usefully compared and contrasted with the paradigmatic
> TLUD.
>
> Trying to classify cookstoves in general is a bit of a challenge.  One may
> come up with other paradigmatic exemplars.  In general, however, people are
> faced with the fact that, most of the time, things in the world and human
> words don't match up unambiguously.  The world around us, language, and
> minds are such variable crazy things, that it is surprising that we can
> actually speak to one another.
>
> In the first half of 20th century, analytic philosophers tried to come up
> with language based on definitions with "necessary and sufficient
> conditions".  They failed.
>
> What are the necessary and sufficient conditions of being a "sport" such
> that it includes skiing, baseball, underwater hockey, hula hoops and
> tiddlywinks.
>
> What are chairs?  If the definition of a "chair" is "that which supports
> human buttocks", then if I am sitting on an elephant, it must be a chair.
> Are all elephants chairs by virtue of my having sat on one?
>
> Except for a few very useful exemplars like TLUD, trying to put all stoves
> into categories faces the same general problem of trying to match up words
> (concepts) with groups of things.
>
> In 1953, Ludwig Wittgenstein published his "Philosophical Investigations".
> In it he argued that most categories denote things grouped because they
> have "family resemblances" rather than definable essences (see the attached
> cartoon).  Somehow, we seem to more-or-less agree on what is a chair, or a
> sport, even if our language if vague.  We still manage to communicate.
> (Amazingly, because no two human minds have ever contain exactly the same
> "chair" thoughts.)
>
> In the face of this fog, science needs TLUDs.
>
> Soon, I hope, I am going to write a paper on my experiments on gasification
> rate and TLUD reaction temperature.  My experiments were conducted to make
> sure that I got TLUD conditions.  My paper is not about a TLUD-like stove;
> is about a TLUD!!!   My job as a scientist is conduct experiments that will
> contribute to building detailed TLUD theories.  That way, we can make
> predictions.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Julien
>
> --
> Julien Winter
> Cobourg, ON, CANADA
>


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