[Stoves] August Stove Camp Fwd: [biochar] Emissions and Char Quality of Flame-Curtain "Kon Tiki" Kilns for Farmer-Scale Charcoal/Biochar Production

Tue May 24 18:41:13 CDT 2016

Tony,
I am dismayed that you think sequestration of carbon as biochar is a
non-starter. I was hoping it was the one ray of sunshine in a gloomy future.

Carbon in the atmosphere has increased dramatically for 2 hundred years.
This stimulates the growth of trees (and all plants). If the trees (or
other plants) are allowed to be harvested and the carbon released back into
the atmosphere, the net effect on atmospheric carbon is zero over a
reasonably short time frame. If the tree is allowed to live out its life
without interference, the time-frame is extended, but the net effect over a
century or so would still be zero.
The grand use of biochar would extend this time-frame, hopefully, to
thousands of years, thus lowering atmospheric carbon in the meantime.

There would need to be a world-wide ban on the sale of fertilisers, whether
chemical or biological, unless mixed with biochar, suitably proportioned
and treated.
I cannot see how a fertiliser/biochar product favours monoculture.

Andy Shirley

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Tony Vovers <vovers1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the information on the Biochar initiative.
> In some areas the Biochar and the Stove initiative dovetail, this List
> Server is great for stove information and support but I did not really find
> a similar site for BioChar.
> There is a separate "gasification" list server which seems to partially
> cover the topic.
>
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org
> If there is a better resource please point me at it.
>
> For stoves it is an important decision in design to evaluate the "value"
>  of any Biochar production and whether char production should be maximized
> or valued.
> The more I read on the topic of Biochar the more I believe that producing
> huge volumes of Biochar and burying it in the belief it is good for the
> environment is a misguided monoculture approach to the topic and I would
> like to engage more in understanding.
> I wish i had time in August to join both Stove and Char in Oregon but the
> timing does not look good at the moment.
>
> Thanks to all Stovers for the motivating discussions and support that this
> list server brings.
>
> Tony Vovers
> +1 281 7381000 (VOIP)
> +62 (813) 3888 9062 (HP)
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Stovers,
>>
>> Ignore if not of interest.   It is mainly about biochar, but it relates
>> to char-producing stoves AND to the Stove Camp at Aprovecho on 15 - 19
>> August, an event that some of you could be attending.
>>
>> Information about all of the events in Oregon this August is at
>> http://www.drtlud.com/oregon-events-august-2016/
>>
>> Please do NOT discuss biochar issues at this Stoves Listserv.   This is a
>> one-time notice.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Biocharists:
>>
>>
>>
>> The recent, peer-reviewed publication about Kon-Tiki flame curtain
>> pyrolysis (cited below) is MAJOR!!!!   Congratulations to the authors and
>> everyone involved in this effort.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the six authors, Dr. Paul Taylor, will be in Oregon in mid-August
>> for the biochar events there, including attending the US Biochar Initiative
>> conference where he will probably be a presenter in a session.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are fortunate to have Dr. Taylor as a featured presenter and
>> participant at the "Char Production Gathering" on 19 - 20 August at
>> Aprovecho (he arrives one day earlier during the Stove Camp).   Attendees
>> of the Char Production Gathering will have the opportunity to participate
>> in discussions and hands-on experiments with Dr. Taylor regarding “Flame
>> Curtain Pyrolysis” (FCP) and the devices that accomplish the task, with
>> attention to issues of
>>
>>
>>
>> size,
>>
>> safety,
>>
>> construction materials,
>>
>> designs (cones, pyramids, covered barrel - C4 kiln, earth pits, etc.)
>>
>> labor of operation,
>>
>> quenching alternatives,
>>
>> fuel options,
>>
>> yield of char,
>>
>> char characteristics, and
>>
>> possible usage of the heat to offset the expenses.
>>
>>
>>
>> ALL participants of the Char Production Gathering must register
>> separately from the regular Summer Stove Camp (which has its own
>> registration).    Registration details will be announced soon at
>> http://www.drtlud.com/oregon-events-august-2016/
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: [biochar] Emissions and Char Quality of Flame-Curtain "Kon
>> Tiki" Kilns for Farmer-Scale Charcoal/Biochar Production
>> Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 08:11:35 -0700
>> From: 'Tom Miles' tmiles at trmiles.com [biochar] <biochar at yahoogroups.com>
>> <biochar at yahoogroups.com>
>> Reply-To: biochar at yahoogroups.com
>> To: biochar at yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>>
>> http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0154617
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerard Cornelissen, Naba Raj Pandit, Paul Taylor,  Bishnu Hari Pandit,
>> Magnus Sparrevik, Hans Peter Schmidt
>>
>>
>>
>> Good report on flame cap kiln biochar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Miles
>>
>> USBI Biochar 2016
>>
>> www.usbi2016.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __._,_.___
>> ------------------------------
>> Posted by: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com> <tmiles at trmiles.com>
>> ------------------------------
>> Reply via web post
>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/biochar/conversations/messages/19424;_ylc=X3oDMTJyN2ZiazhpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyNDM4MDUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzQxODYxMgRtc2dJZAMxOTQyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0NjM4NDM0OTg-?act=reply&messageNum=19424>
>> • Reply to sender
>> <tmiles at trmiles.com?subject=Re%3A%20Emissions%20and%20Char%20Quality%20of%20Flame-Curtain%20%22Kon%20Tiki%22%20Kilns%20for%20Farmer-Scale%20Charcoal%2FBiochar%20Production>
>> • Reply to group
>> <biochar at yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Emissions%20and%20Char%20Quality%20of%20Flame-Curtain%20%22Kon%20Tiki%22%20Kilns%20for%20Farmer-Scale%20Charcoal%2FBiochar%20Production>
>> • Start a New Topic
>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/biochar/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmaWhzcjk1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyNDM4MDUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzQxODYxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NjM4NDM0OTg->
>> • Messages in this topic
>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/biochar/conversations/topics/19424;_ylc=X3oDMTM3N2w4Z3ZtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyNDM4MDUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzQxODYxMgRtc2dJZAMxOTQyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NjM4NDM0OTgEdHBjSWQDMTk0MjQ->
>> (1)
>> ------------------------------
>> Upgrade your account with the latest Yahoo Mail app
>> <https://yho.com/1wwmgg>
>> Get organized with the fast and easy-to-use Yahoo Mail app. Upgrade today!
>> ------------------------------
>> Visit Your Group
>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/biochar/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZDZra3U5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyNDM4MDUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzQxODYxMgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NjM4NDM0OTg->
>>
>>    - New Members
>>    <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/biochar/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnYTcza25mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyNDM4MDUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzQxODYxMgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDYzODQzNDk4>
>>    2
>>
>> [image: Yahoo! Groups]
>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlY2QxM29jBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIyNDM4MDUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzQxODYxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQ2Mzg0MzQ5OA-->
>> • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html>
>> • Unsubscribe <biochar-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
>> • Terms of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/>
>>
>> .
>>
>> __,_._,___
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Stoves mailing list
>>
>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
>> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>>
>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Stoves mailing list
>
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20160525/cac1ce85/attachment.html>