[Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove

Sun Dec 3 11:17:39 CST 2017

Hi Crispin,

Perhaps Robert took part in the development of Thai Bucket Stove if he was
in the region on that period. However I do not have any document that
mention his name and involvement - the oldest report I have dated 1985, a
report of USAID on improved cookstove development in Thailand.
You are right he is a hard worker but almost silent. Wish him recovered
very soon from his malaria...

Best,
iwan

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:

> Thanks Nikhil and Iwan
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> I heard about the Thai Bucket stove (in its current incarnation) from
> Robert, meaning he is the one who told me (?) or someone who was present –
> maybe it was Tig – that Robert was the one who designed it. Maybe he
> adapted  what he found. I do recall it was said to have been in ’82 which
> aligns with the things mentioned below. 1982 was also the year things got
> going on test methods with the French Bois De Feu and Eindhoven Group
> getting going full steam. Piet Visser and all that: KK Prasad and Peter
> Verhaart.
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> That was the year we started making improved stoves at TATU – Cecil and I
> – for cooking staff meals. Transkei Appropriate Technology Unit – also
> still alive in a new form.
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> This leads me to bring the unfortunate news that Robert is in grave
> condition in the Netherlands in ICU with malaria contracted a couple of
> weeks ago. He is an under-sung hero of the stove community, quietly, some
> say too quietly, organizing things and taking risks. One turned out to be a
> bit too risky. He was in Central Africa last month living on the edge
> (again).
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> Nikhil: can you narrow down the event regarding funding at all? I am
> writing something in answer to a question on C4D about the best way to
> bring funding into product development instead of product dissemination. It
> turns out, in historical perspective, that the stoves which are the most
> widely disseminated were nearly *all* designed on the public dime –
> little that there is of that. I find that amazing. Truly innovative stoves
> that became popular were not artisanal developments.  I don’t think that it
> is widely recognized.
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> Regards
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> Crispin
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> Crispin:
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> Could be ESMAP funding, for followup on earlier USAID work .
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> One 1993 paper
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.362.7044%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&data=02%7C01%7Ccrispinpigott%40outlook.com%7C53b235d54a704acb7c2508d53a1689a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636478790820191146&sdata=ZkQKByVDf0FhEHng2qS51HFVMc9RFpPIqdx0rXgpEh0%3D&reserved=0> that
> van der Plas was a co-author to only mentions "In Thailand, improved stoves
> development started in the private sector; this is true of other countries
> in Asia as well." It refers to several ESMAP-funded stove projects in
> Thailand. (Annes 2: Projects Surveyed for Study.)
>
> This seems to be the most widely cited paper on the subject of what makes
> biomass stoves usable and used, but it is nearly 25 years ago. So much for
> the due diligence of the stove program financiers.
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> I had no idea that it was the inspiration for Kenyan Ceramic Jiko (KCJ),
> as reported here
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https:%2F%2Fwww.princeton.edu%2F~mauzeral%2Fwws402f_s03%2FJP.Shena.Elrington.pdf&data=02%7C01%7Ccrispinpigott%40outlook.com%7C53b235d54a704acb7c2508d53a1689a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636478790820191146&sdata=eRQQgR3ee0F1L58IwSCD77Rn0FvijZJVdvNKrITo6ys%3D&reserved=0>:
> " The original design for the KCJ was inspired by an improved stove used
> throughout Thailand. This stove, the ‘Thai bucket,’ has an insulating liner
> composed of ceramic that was cemented from the top to the bottom of the... "
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> Reducing Indoor Air Pollution in Africa: A Review of Two Successful
> Intervention Programs and Recommendations for Future Intervention Efforts
> Shena M. Elrington May 2, 2003. Looks like a student paper for WWS 402f:
> Sustainable Development- Can We Do It? Prof. Denise L. Mauzerall.
>
> I made an interesting discovery -- according to this
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yumpu.com%2Fen%2Fdocument%2Fview%2F7385282%2Fimproved-biomass-cooking-stove-for-household-use-pdf-101-mb-&data=02%7C01%7Ccrispinpigott%40outlook.com%7C53b235d54a704acb7c2508d53a1689a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636478790820191146&sdata=Lu2sVvKJmdGNsTwtHQssj3%2B1bNB8ErbwjkRIkkwj4sk%3D&reserved=0>
> 1982 paper submitted to the National Energy Administration, the Thai bucket
> stove is thought to have originated in China and could have been brought to
> Thailand a thousand years earlier (p. 33-34).
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> The report also says (p. 44) that Meta Systems Inc. Thai Group reviewed
> efficiency of various Thai bucket stoves in 1982. I was at Meta Systems in
> 1980-1 and learned my biomass balance work and cookstoves projects there. I
> probably know some folks who worked on that project.
>
> I think the recommendations of this report 35 years ago (on p. 241-2) are
> still relevant.
>
> Reinventing the wheel keeps subsequent generations employed in the good
> cause.
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> Nikhil
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> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
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> Dear Friends
>
> The Thai Bucket Stove was designed by Robert van der Plas in 1982. Does
> anyone know who funded that development? Did he do it as part of a project,
> or on his own?
>
> Thanks
> Crispin
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