[Stoves] The goals of my TLUD work

Fri Sep 29 08:26:14 CDT 2017

Crispin,

I absolutely concur that the cook matters.  My middle daughter is the director of education at Christopher Kimball's Milk Street Kitchen.  The design of her new kitchen was driven by the needs of the cook and her husband.

Please remember I am principally promoting understanding just what pyrolysis and Biochar are.  Neither word is even in any of the tests administered in US schools.  No teacher gets rewarded for teaching about carbon negative energy.  If we do not understand the creativity of pyrolysis, how on earth do we expect to accomplish Drawdown?  I wonder if Drawdown and long term carbon sequestration, which benefits 100% of the global population, is perhaps of more importance than  other applications of pyrolysis and Biochar?  

As for stoves for areas that need better cooking tools, I am all for that. It is just not my primary area of focus at this time.  Further, my view is that if it is not good enough for the wealthy, why is it good enough for anyone else? I expect adoption of new cooking tools would be a good deal faster if we could point to their use in the wealthy world.  This is one reason I have demonstrated how to modify charcoal grills such that they make charcoal when you grill.  Carbon negative grilling creates Biochar for your gardens etc.  Carbon negative grilling contributes to drawdown while it creates better tasting grilling results.  I know.  The proof is in the eating!

Thoughts?  I know you will have some ;-)

Many thanks,

Jock

Jock Gill
P. O. Box 3
Peacham, VT 05862

Cell: (617) 449-8111

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> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
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> Dear Jock
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> >I take your point re-cooking.  A great goal, but I am more focused on getting these ideas into first world public schools. 
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> Listen carefully:
> The idea that is missing is that the cook matters.
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> The prevailing idea in the First World's public schools is that poor people should 'change' so they are not poor any more. Basically they blame the poor for their poverty.
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> The First World's public scholars are information, and especially science-information, poor. I do not blame them for it.
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> If you promote a technology that is not optimised for the cooks, there is a danger of reinforcing in the students the idea that the cooks do not need to be the dominant players in the scientific development of cooking alternatives. I see that as a problem. Cecil and I call it 'techno-cure': that a technology will solve the problem without reference to the people involved. Biochar will not overcome scientific illiteracy, nor anthropological illiteracy.
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> A good question is whether or not a stove is a material or a social construct. An inventor is not really free to do anything they want, unless they don't care if the invention is used or not. That is my sobering experience having run a technology development and marketing company for more than 30 years. In my narrow view, my best ideas never saw the light of day. And won't. The world isn't ready for them!!
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> 😊
> Crispin
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> These are ideas that need to be mainstream in the developed or first world or what ever we call the richer nations these days.  Today there resounding ignorance in US the education system when it comes to pyrolysis and Biochar.  I once spoke with a young MIT grad with a masters from MIT in Environmental Science.  She had never heard of pyrolysis, much less Biochar.
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> I like your ignition idea.  I could model it after a wood stove draft controller.  I have been thinking about this already, but you have spurred me on.
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> Thanks,
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> Jock
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> Jock Gill
> P. O. Box 3
> Peacham, VT 05862
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> Cell: (617) 449-8111
>  
> Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
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> > On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
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> > Dear Jock
> >
> > There are two user-centric goals you could add:
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> > That it cooks well, and long enough to be an acceptable alternative to other cooking solutions.
> > That it is safe and convenient to use.
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> > I have a design suggestion to help with the ignition:
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> > Suppose the central disk could be rotated 90 degrees? It could be made vertical until the gas can support a flame. Then turn it horizontal so there is no need to separately ignite the gas. You do have a flame already, you just need to get it above the disk.
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> > Regards
> > Crispin
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jock Gill
> > Sent: 28-Sep-17 11:31
> > To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > Subject: [Stoves] The goals of my TLUD work
> >
> > Here are the basic goals I have for my TLUD development work:
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> > 1. Achieve as long a period of blue flames as possible;
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> > 2. Look like a gas stove burner - aspirational;
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> > 3. Be very low cost so teachers can afford to make it;
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> > 4. Get pyrolysis and Biochar into schools;
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> > 5.  Use the heat from the burning gases as completely as possible;
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> > 6. As few and as simple parts as possible;
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> > 7. Easy and safe construction with simple tools;
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> > 8. No metal cutting or sharp edges;
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> > 9. Best run time with the maximum yield of high quality charcoal;
> >
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