[Stoves] Off Grid Pellitizing issues --- was Re: Bulk density of LPG vs pellets

[Law, Steven (MOECC)]

You can use the local biomass to make the power on a small scale!
Even better these devices are set up to have CHP and not just power only.
You could do a wood heating boiler - organic rankine cycle set up, or alternately a wood gasifier - internal combustion engine set up.
The heat can be used to dry the biomass to a low moisture content to facilitate pelletizing.
It's a win-win!


-----Original Message-----
From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Paul Anderson
Sent: February 15, 2018 9:24 AM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: [Stoves] Off Grid Pellitizing issues --- was Re: Bulk density of LPG vs pellets

Christa and all,

You raise an excellent question.   I changed the Subject line so the we see this discussion for what it actually is:  Offgrid pelletizing for fuel.    (There are off-grid pelletizing operations for animal-feed pellets; related but some significant differences.)

I will try to bring forward some info to answer your question about who is working on this issue, but it is not my decision to release the info or not.

There are also some very related questions:

1.  Pellet production output (size) of the units.   You gave an example of 1 ton output per hour.   Thai is not as small as it sounds (even though the big industial sites are soooooo much larger).    Assuming (this can be discussed) a household would consume 2 kg per day of pellet fuel, one ton would serve 500 households.   In a 10 hour production day, that would be supplying pellets to 5000 households (maybe 30,000 people) and need 10 tons of appropriately processed / reasonably dry biomass per day.   (If 1.5 or 2.5 or 3 kg pellet consumption per household, that would greatly change the numbers).
Variables include the operational hours per day, and if working 5 or 6 (or 7) days.    24 working days/month would mean serving 4000 households and needing 240 tons of appropriate feedstock per month.   I would suggest that maybe half or one quarter that hourly output might be more appropriate.

2.  Alternatives for generating the needed power if grid was not present.  We
> are talking at least 80 kW electrical power requirement or a corresponding PTO + diesel tractor.

3.  And certainly more aspects.

Let's see if there are some discussions and some factual inputs about this topic on this Listserv.

Paul

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On 2/15/2018 5:08 AM, CHRISTA ROTH wrote:
> Neil,
> the answer very much depends on the access to electricity in the area of potential production: if you want to achieve a considerable / commercially viable output of pellets e.g. 1 ton/hour, you are talking at least 80 kW electrical power requirement or a corresponding PTO + diesel tractor.
>
> Does anybody have any off-grid pelletising success stories anywhere on this planet? Would be interested to know.
>
> Christa
>
>> Am 14.02.2018 um 22:25 schrieb neiltm at uwclub.net:
>>
>> On 13 Feb 2018 at 9:15, Paul Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> The people have
>>> access to locally sources woody biomass fuel, but are interested in 
>>> having some better stoves with processed fuels.
>> Could they not make their own pellets and circumvent the problem as 
>> you pose it altogether?
>>
>> Neil Taylor
>>
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