[Stoves] Biomass stove pollution in UK

[Nikhil Desai]

Tom: 

Alarmism is a mix of stupidity and conspiracy. Such are the risks in all matters of attribution and prevention when causally is uncertain or dubious and prevention is a market opportunity for snake oil. 

Leaving aside air pollution, climate change, cookstoves, and all arguable matters of “clean”, even speech (since I do not practice it), your reference to trees prompted me to think of another comparison. 

What after all is a “tree”, and what all goes into making a tree and comes from a tree!! And what then is a forest, my goodness!

The multitude of variables and complex processes for the production, consumption, and destruction of trees should give everyone a serious pause to avoid falling for the basic caution in statistical inference - watch for violations of assumptions. 

Regulation is a fascinating hodgepodge of science, law, economics, politics, subject to uncertainties and biases. 

Air pollution alarmism is a part of regulatory hyperbole, which is plausibly characterized as a conspiracy, but now with the spurious numbers from the WHO/IHME cabals, has also spilled into stupidity. 

Regulators can be challenged, if they act according to their jurisdictions. WHO faces a much more serious risk - loss of reputation, with member countries and with financiers of policies all around. 

I am afraid WHO has been privatized in part. Media have proved to be handmaidens of this corruption. I do not have direct specific evidence, but enough to come to this conjecture. 

A tree is a wonder. 

Nikhil 
Skype: nikhildesai888

> On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:38 PM, <tmiles at trmiles.com> <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:
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> This is just sensationalism on the part of the Daily Mail. Is it relevant to this list? It just shows that fear mongering is everywhere.  
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> I am sure that readers are tired of hearing the elders like Nikhil, Crispin and I talk about air quality history and metrics but the basic theme of the article was covered through careful ambient air quality measurements that started more than forty years ago. There is no mention in the article of the science behind UK, European, or international standards and regulations for wood burning appliances. And no real data on the relative impact of transportation and heating fuels in specific jurisdictions in the UK. There is likely either an advocacy group behind the alarmist article or an author who wants to sell books with a catchy theme. The comments suggest that it might be supporting a politician who is against wood burning but for removing trees.    
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> Tom
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> From: Stoves <stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org> On Behalf Of Nikhil Desai
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 1:58 PM
> To: nari phaltan <nariphaltan at gmail.com>
> Cc: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com>; stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Biomass stove pollution in UK
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> Anil:
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> Usual poppycock. 
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> Emissions are not exposures, nor are exposures uniformly harmful, nor is fuel ban the best means of harm alleviation. 
>  
> One needs air basin modeling for particular regions and cohorts (plus natural sources of emissions, some of which, such as trees, are also exposure control devices; spraying the streets also controls particulate transport.)
>  
> And then one needs to do source allocation, prioritize among processes and species, and develop an economic, legally defensible air quality plan. And oh yes, dispense with PM2.5 equitoxicity and Integrated Exposure Response. Non-particulates from diesel and petrochemicals are probably more toxic, as are other biological pathogens. 
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> There, I have given you the core truth of the religion of air quality. 
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> Like all religions, priests have corrupted and obfuscated the core truths, propagating convenient lies, reciting ritualistic mumbo-jumbo, issuing fatwas and encyclicals, sprinkling holy waters of academic prestige on stinking rot. 
> 
> Fake news all around. 
> 
> Nikhil 
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> On Nov 18, 2018, at 10:39 AM, nari phaltan <nariphaltan at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Interesting findings closer to home!
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> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6402031/Wood-burning-stoves-emit-six-times-pollution-diesel-truck.html
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> Cheers.
>  
> Anil
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