[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4
Norman Baker
ntbakerphd at gmail.com
Sat Dec 7 12:42:32 CST 2019
I will be attending ethos but will not be giving a presentation.
Norm
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> 1. Re: [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs (Anderson, Paul)
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> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 04:16:55 +0000
> From: "Anderson, Paul" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> To: "tluds at Biochar.groups.io" <tluds at Biochar.groups.io>, Julien Winter
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
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> Dear all,
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> 1. Ron and all, I will attend ETHOS 2020 and will assist with the
> display of the posters related to TLUD stoves (and related biochar
> topics). I could (will likely) add on a poster or be in cooperation
> with the other posters being proposed. I agree that posters will get more
> attention than if we have a single concurrent session and only a few
> persons attend our session (preaching to the choir). Our posters could
> essentially be like a linear display on tables spreading down the long
> corridor, maybe with a few TLUDs on display also.. VERY visible and there
> is plenty of break-time to reach the attendees. I am letting Elisa Derby
> (head of ETHOS) know of these discussions that relate to ETHOS. We will
> make sure that we will be compatible with whatever ETHOS instructs us.
>
> 2. Would others with TLUD topics like to be included in this way? I
> will not have a presentation at a concurrent session; I have proposed a
> plenary session (still being reviewed) that is relevant to the whole stoves
> sector, not just TLUD stoves.
>
> 3. Who of the TLUD group will be attending ETHOS next month? Kevin
> (about the useful stoves), and myself (working in India now abouit a lower
> cost TLUD stove). Who else?
> Also, Ron and Julien will each send a poster.
>
> Paul
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> From: tluds at Biochar.groups.io <tluds at Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron
> Larson via Groups.Io
> Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 9:01 PM
> To: tluds at biochar.groups.io; Julien Winter <winter.julien at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
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> Julien and subgroup:
>
> Thanks for the update.
>
> I think Kevin won?t mind handling your poster as well as his/mine. 10%
> more work for him. My perception of the Akha is that it must be among the
> top TLUD stove designs where biochar is driving the production. Another is
> the Lucia from Nat Mulcahy. Probably Paul Anderson can report some biochar
> use. We need more data on any stove producing biochar. Norm Baker has
> great biochar success but his char is not from a stove (only flared
> gases). Anyone else?
>
> I have spent the whole day with pen and paper and have decided my
> tentative outline (below) needs space on the future customer base, the
> competitors, some goals, costs, etc.
> So I am now thinking that will now occur in a large box 7. The former box
> 7 (air controls will be combined with box 6 (pyro unit),and the new boxes
> 2, 4 and 6 will be narrower, allowing more to be put in the right-side
> boxes 3, 5, and 7. Box 1 smaller, and box 8 larger.
> I need three posters.
>
> Anyone have recommendations on what the ETHOS group needs to hear re
> char-making stoves for the global income deciles 1 and 2?
>
> See below also.
>
> On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:56 PM, winter.julien <winter.julien at gmail.com<mailto:
> winter.julien at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Hi Ronal;
>
> I will be sending along a summary document of the Akha shortly. Some
> material may be used from that for a poster. Or, I may mail a stand-along
> poster on the Akha.
>
> I will not be attending ETHOS this year, although I would like to. I
> don't feel I can justify the CO2 emissions from flying.
>
> [RWL: Me too.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Julien.
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 2:41 PM Ron Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net
> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>> wrote:
> Sublist group:
>
> New Topic: Getting ETHOS attendees to be thinking of TLUDs for
> those now using 3-stone stoves
>
> Kevin McLean has put in an abstract for the January ETHOS meeting
> for the two of us on the above topic. This is to ask for your guidance -
> on how to get a low cost TLUD across. How to get the larger stove
> community (not a biochar community) interested in helping the very poorest
> in the world. Helping them and getting their help as well. What would YOU
> put on a poster?
>
> I am computer-storag- limited today - but will come back later
> with something more complete. Thinking 8 boxes on the poster: two broad
> at the top and bottom, and two columns with 3 rows.
>
> 1. the Title- Something like "TLUDs to Replace 3-Stone Stoves??
> (Emphasis throughout to be on the ??? Large font here. Name of McLean
> and Larson and ?? and e-mail addresses.
>
> 2. The top left box might be on commercially available TLUDs as we
> generally know them. - Too high a first cost for the very poor. But show
> at least Akha and biochar in Bangladesh
>
> 3.. The top right box with the three (or more??) modifications we have
> been discussing - all oriented on very low prices through three (?) new (?)
> ideas:
> a a horizontal shift of the chimney to create a plancha
> b. Use of the ground - and likely a pit therein
> c. The use of OLODs (totally enclosed, externally heated
> biomass. Might drop this one.
> d. Other new?
>
> 4. Middle left: The chimney portion. What materials and height?
>
> 5. Middle right: The plancha and pit; the OLOD here. How many cook
> pots needed at once? What height?
>
> 6. Lower left: The pyrolysis can; Emphasis on movement in and out of
> ?pit"
>
> 7. Lower right: Air supply controls
>
> 8. Bottom banner: Problems related to local production for the poor who
> are now using 3-stones (with zero upfrontt costs , but lousy efficiency),
> and zero char production.
>
>
> Any immediate thoughts on how to do this well? What name do we give to
> this other than TLUD?
>
> Any chance we can get an efficiency measurement in next 4-5 weeks?
> (Planchas generally have poor efficiency. Do we care? (More coming on new
> thoughts there)
>
> Generally will need to compare to rockets.
>
> Ron
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