[Stoves] SUBSIDY for new CO2e emissions tops US$150 per ton

[Nikhil Desai]

Kirk H.

You are supposing and pre-supposing too much.

I suggest you find a definition of subsidy in an encyclopedia or dictionary of economics before you lecture me about economics.



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> On May 26, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Kirk H. <gkharris316 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Nikhil,
>  
> Once again supporting fossil fuels on a biofuels list.  Are you working for a fossil fuel corporation?  How about helping promote biofuels so they can take over their share of the load, instead of writing biofuels off and promoting fossil fuels.  Perhaps you really should be on a fossil fuels list, promoting biofuels.  Dr. Anderson is doing what needs to be done to promote biomass stoves and biomass fuels overall.
>  
> Kirk H.
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Nikhil Desai
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:58 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] SUBSIDY for new CO2e emissions tops US$150 per ton
>  
> Paul:
>  
> IMF has second rate economists,
>  
> All this subsidy computation is as much fakery and bluffing as aDALYs.
>  
> Be thankful that fossil fuel production and use pays the taxes on which world governments run.
> 
> Nikhil Desai
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> 
> On May 26, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> 
> To all,    (Please forward to your contacts)  (Can we reach the politicians and media and the public?)
>  
> The citizens of the world are PAYING the fossil fuel industries to ADD more tons of Greenhouse Gases to the atmosphere.  See the calculations below.
>  
> It is time to stop the subsidies!!!!    
>  
> Even further, the providers of NEW CO2 emissions should be PAYING a “carbon fee and dividend” as proposed by the Citizens’ Climate Lobby (CCL)     https://citizensclimatelobby.org/energy-innovation-and-carbon-dividend-act/
>  
> Paul S. Anderson   psanders at ilstu.edu
>  
>  
>  The following was prepared recently by Albert Bates to show the calculations to determine:
>  
> How much SUBSIDY is being paid to the fossil fuel businesses per ton of CO2e emissions.
>  
> Please distribute widely. 
> First posted by: Albert Bates <albert at thefarm.org> at the biochar at yahoogroups.com  listserv
> on  May 26, 2019.
> 
> For current global subsidies, I was using the IMF numbers, which are 
> also supported by Carbon Tracker and were reported in The Guardian in 
> 2017 
> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/aug/07/fossil-fuel-subsidies-are-a-staggering-5-tn-per-year
> 
> The reported number was $4.9 tn in 2013 and that rose to $5.3 tn in 
> 2015. Taking that forward to 2019 (subsidies have accelerated, not 
> slowed, but I used a constant) I got $6.9 trillion. On the webinar I 
> rounded that to $7 tn.
> 
> Global emissions were 37.1 gigatonnes CO2 in 2018. 
> https://www.wri.org/blog/2018/12/new-global-co2-emissions-numbers-are-they-re-not-good
> 
> Divide 6.9 e12 by 37.1 e9 and you get $185.98 per ton. I used $150 just 
> to be conservative because if you use the validated 2015 number it would 
> be $142.85. This is what taxpayers pay emitters to make and release CO2.
> 
> I believe that emissions are understated because I believe fugitive 
> emissions are poorly accounted for. One could also make the case for 
> elevated permafrost and deforestation additions being anthropogenic. So 
> the calculation is still a bit squirrely, but it is in the ballpark.
> 
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