[Stoves] Biochar Friday before ETHOS meeting.......RE: [Biochar] [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
Anderson, Paul
psanders at ilstu.edu
Sat Jan 18 22:59:00 CST 2020
The “Biochar Friday” meeting will still take place at the Baymont Inn in Kirkland starting on Friday at 8 AM with casual greetings (and breakfast from the adjoining room for those staying at the Baymont, and coffee for those who are not). We will use the first hour to get ourselves introduced and to define who has what to present to the group.
Sorry that Tom Miles will not be able to attend. I am expecting at least 5 people, and maybe 15. But this is a no-fee no-registration event that is based on who will be attending.
There could be others, but at least I will have information to share about my latest version of the 4C kiln. It has sufficiently strong results that I am submitting a Provisional Patent Application (PPA) before the Friday session. I will still be working on a private and confidential basis for disclosure, with no notes or report about the 4C kiln provided, as will be explained at the Friday session. I will be seeking comments and looking for several “early adopters” to trial the 4C kiln under different conditions and feedstocks. Those details will be discussed at the gathering.
And we will probably have an open (fully public) discussion the various viewpoints about patents, as have been discussed this past week on the Biochar listserv.
I think that Norm Baker will have some comments about his large TLUD work. Everyone in attendance will have opportunities to speak.
We technically have the room until noon, and probably until the next usage of the room starts at 1:30 PM for the ETHOS “pre-show”.
(I am now receiving the messages from that Stoves Listserv (via a different address, but I reply via my main address that is psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> )
Paul
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with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
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Subject: Re: [Biochar] [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
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Paul,
Due to business travel I wil be unable to join a biochar discussion at ETHOS on Friday. I will attend on Saturday and Sunday.
Kind regards,
Tom
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Subject: Re: [Biochar] [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
Dear all,
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1. Ron and all, I will attend ETHOS 2020 and will assist with the display of the posters related to TLUD stoves (and related biochar topics). I could (will likely) add on a poster or be in cooperation with the other posters being proposed. I agree that posters will get more attention than if we have a single concurrent session and only a few persons attend our session (preaching to the choir). Our posters could essentially be like a linear display on tables spreading down the long corridor, maybe with a few TLUDs on display also.. VERY visible and there is plenty of break-time to reach the attendees. I am letting Elisa Derby (head of ETHOS) know of these discussions that relate to ETHOS. We will make sure that we will be compatible with whatever ETHOS instructs us.
2. Would others with TLUD topics like to be included in this way? I will not have a presentation at a concurrent session; I have proposed a plenary session (still being reviewed) that is relevant to the whole stoves sector, not just TLUD stoves.
3. Who of the TLUD group will be attending ETHOS next month? Kevin (about the useful stoves), and myself (working in India now abouit a lower cost TLUD stove). Who else?
Also, Ron and Julien will each send a poster.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<http://www.drtlud.com>
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype: paultlud
Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support woodgas (TLUD) projects
incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
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Subject: Re: [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
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Julien and subgroup:
Thanks for the update.
I think Kevin won’t mind handling your poster as well as his/mine. 10% more work for him. My perception of the Akha is that it must be among the top TLUD stove designs where biochar is driving the production. Another is the Lucia from Nat Mulcahy. Probably Paul Anderson can report some biochar use. We need more data on any stove producing biochar. Norm Baker has great biochar success but his char is not from a stove (only flared gases). Anyone else?
I have spent the whole day with pen and paper and have decided my tentative outline (below) needs space on the future customer base, the competitors, some goals, costs, etc.
So I am now thinking that will now occur in a large box 7. The former box 7 (air controls will be combined with box 6 (pyro unit),and the new boxes 2, 4 and 6 will be narrower, allowing more to be put in the right-side boxes 3, 5, and 7. Box 1 smaller, and box 8 larger.
I need three posters.
Anyone have recommendations on what the ETHOS group needs to hear re char-making stoves for the global income deciles 1 and 2?
See below also.
On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:56 PM, winter.julien <winter.julien at gmail.com<mailto:winter.julien at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Ronal;
I will be sending along a summary document of the Akha shortly. Some material may be used from that for a poster. Or, I may mail a stand-along poster on the Akha.
I will not be attending ETHOS this year, although I would like to. I don't feel I can justify the CO2 emissions from flying.
[RWL: Me too.
Thanks again.
Ron
Cheers,
Julien.
On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 2:41 PM Ron Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net<mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>> wrote:
Sublist group:
New Topic: Getting ETHOS attendees to be thinking of TLUDs for those now using 3-stone stoves
Kevin McLean has put in an abstract for the January ETHOS meeting for the two of us on the above topic. This is to ask for your guidance - on how to get a low cost TLUD across. How to get the larger stove community (not a biochar community) interested in helping the very poorest in the world. Helping them and getting their help as well. What would YOU put on a poster?
I am computer-storag- limited today - but will come back later with something more complete. Thinking 8 boxes on the poster: two broad at the top and bottom, and two columns with 3 rows.
1. the Title- Something like "TLUDs to Replace 3-Stone Stoves?” (Emphasis throughout to be on the “?” Large font here. Name of McLean and Larson and ?? and e-mail addresses.
2. The top left box might be on commercially available TLUDs as we generally know them. - Too high a first cost for the very poor. But show at least Akha and biochar in Bangladesh
3.. The top right box with the three (or more??) modifications we have been discussing - all oriented on very low prices through three (?) new (?) ideas:
a a horizontal shift of the chimney to create a plancha
b. Use of the ground - and likely a pit therein
c. The use of OLODs (totally enclosed, externally heated biomass. Might drop this one.
d. Other new?
4. Middle left: The chimney portion. What materials and height?
5. Middle right: The plancha and pit; the OLOD here. How many cook pots needed at once? What height?
6. Lower left: The pyrolysis can; Emphasis on movement in and out of “pit"
7. Lower right: Air supply controls
8. Bottom banner: Problems related to local production for the poor who are now using 3-stones (with zero upfrontt costs , but lousy efficiency), and zero char production.
Any immediate thoughts on how to do this well? What name do we give to this other than TLUD?
Any chance we can get an efficiency measurement in next 4-5 weeks? (Planchas generally have poor efficiency. Do we care? (More coming on new thoughts there)
Generally will need to compare to rockets.
Ron
--
Julien Winter
Cobourg, ON, CANADA
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