[Stoves] SPAM Re: SPAM Re: SPAM Re: Stoves Digest, Vol 146, Issue 3

Tue Oct 11 22:06:26 CDT 2022

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On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:29 PM Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:

> Dear Kevin
>
> You test the moisture content using a small digital scale, like you get at
> a "head shop". It will have a capacity of about 400 or 250 grams. It reads
> to 0.01 g precision.
>
> Take some samples of fuel, weigh them and write the number 1, 2, 3 etc on
> them with a pen and record the individual masses.
>
> You can weigh them all at once if you like.
>
> Then put them into a warming drawer of an electric over of the oven itself
> if you can control the temperature down to 105 C.
>
> Leave them for a day (no kidding) and weight them again *after they
> cool. *
>
> Hot fuel can influence the scale's reading.  Physics 101.
>
> Divide the new dry mass by the original mass and convert to %. That is the
> dry portion. Subtract that number from 100% and you have the moisture on a
> Wet Weight Basis. WWB.
>
> WWB is the most common form of describing the fuel moisture in the stove
> world. However if you are reading something from the USA never assume it is
> WWB. There is penchant for describing the moisture as a percentage of the
> dry mass which is of course the Dry Weight Basis.
>
> So you should always report the moisture as a % and then put WWB
> afterwards so anyone reading your text knows what you did.
>
> 100% - Dry mass % = % moisture content WWB
>
> Regards
> Crispin
> *From:* kmclean56 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* October 11, 2022 12:35 PM
> *To:* stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> *Reply to:* stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> *Subject:* [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Stoves Digest, Vol 146,
> Issue 3
>
> You never need to apologize, Norm.
>
> I'm leaning toward the bands over the cooking hole.  A band with maize
> stalks is simpler and seems to be less smoky.  But the big band advantage
> is the bundles can be swapped out to extend the cooking session
> indefinitely.
>
> It would be awesome if you could test the band and bundle method at
> Aprovecho.  We have not yet tried to regulate air flow.
>
> Moisture content is obviously important.  Please look at this video where
> we compare the burning of two piles of freshly cut upright maize stalks
> that were brown and looked dry.  (You may have seen it on the biochar
> listserv, but it is also relevant here.)  We are demonstrating the
> difference in smoke when a pile is lit on the side (left pile, the
> traditional method in Africa) and when lit on top (right pile, the way we
> train).  The difference in smoke is stunning.  However, when we compared
> two piles of stalks that were cut two week previous, both piles burned with
> little smoke.  I attribute this to moisture content.  Brown upright stalks
> must have a higher moisture content than stalks that were cut and left on
> the ground for two weeks.
>
> Side by Side Burn of Maize Stalks (video):  https://youtu.be/5M4ntJi_JmY
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> Some of the principles of the top down burn of large piles of maize stalks
> are probably involved in the burning of stalks in bands from the top.
>
> How do you test for moisture content?
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 7:19 PM Norman Baker <ntbakerphd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Kevin;
>>
>> First, let me apologize for not getting emissions testing done for you at
>> Aprovecho. Life seems to get in the way sometimes - especially when you're
>> older and events crop up suddenly.
>>
>> The metal band with the stocks upright is probably a better way to make
>> use of the maize stocks. From watching your videos it is clear this is
>> functioning as a hybrid between TLUD's and flame caps. Do you make any
>> attempt to regulate the air from below? When we go to Aprovecho I can
>> easily make a band and we can do emissions testing on this new arrangement.
>> I still plan to compare emissions of dried maize stocks versus maize stocks
>> at ambient relative humidity. I think there will be a difference. I'm also
>> planning to do this in a metal band versus the "conservation burn" style
>> you originally worked with. Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Norm
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:05 AM <stoves-request at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>    1. ***SPAM*** Maize stalks as cooking fuel in bands and bundles
>>>       (Kevin McLean)
>>>    2. ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Maize stalks as cooking fuel in
>>>       bands and bundles (energiesnaturals at gmx.de)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:50:55 +0200
>>> From: Kevin McLean <kevin at sun24.org>
>>> To: Stoves and Biofuels Network <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Maize stalks as cooking fuel in bands and
>>>         bundles
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>>> We've long been trying to find a way to use maize stalks as a cooking
>>> fuel
>>> in Africa.  They are challenging because they burn fast and smoky.  We
>>> may
>>> have found a way.
>>>
>>> Make a bundle of stalks in a metal band and stand up the bundle so the
>>> stalks are upright.  Then light the top.  The band has a diameter of 20
>>> cm.  The stalks burn remarkably clean for about 13 minutes, no tending.
>>> Then a new bundle can be swapped in to continue the cooking.  Below are
>>> some videos.
>>>
>>> My colleague in Uganda thinks that farmers with two growing seasons can
>>> cook year round with maize stalks and never need to collect firewood
>>> again
>>> ... we'll see.
>>>
>>> As a bonus, this makes biochar.
>>>
>>> [image: Bands with maize stalks.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Videos:
>>> Self help group leaders being trained on stalks in bands
>>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/10VXniCh8-JFLg6EwFcImsmYbeJAEDu6D/view?usp=sharing
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>>> >
>>> Stalks in band burning
>>> <
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>>> >
>>> Swapping bands of stalks
>>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZYqahvxprdjvsRkVav66clPegWoN3Uyc/view?usp=sharing
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:07:22 +0000
>>> From: "energiesnaturals at gmx.de" <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
>>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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>>> Subject: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Maize stalks as cooking
>>>         fuel in bands and bundles
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>>> @Kevin
>>>
>>> Imagine you rise the sleeve higher up and leave some space between it
>>> and the bundle.
>>> It should have a "secondary air effect", I guess, and burn even cleaner.
>>>
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>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Stoves <stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org> on behalf of
>>> Kevin McLean <kevin at sun24.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 7:50:55 PM
>>> To: Stoves and Biofuels Network <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Maize stalks as cooking fuel in bands and
>>> bundles
>>>
>>> We've long been trying to find a way to use maize stalks as a cooking
>>> fuel in Africa.  They are challenging because they burn fast and smoky.  We
>>> may have found a way.
>>>
>>> Make a bundle of stalks in a metal band and stand up the bundle so the
>>> stalks are upright.  Then light the top.  The band has a diameter of 20
>>> cm.  The stalks burn remarkably clean for about 13 minutes, no tending.
>>> Then a new bundle can be swapped in to continue the cooking.  Below are
>>> some videos.
>>>
>>> My colleague in Uganda thinks that farmers with two growing seasons can
>>> cook year round with maize stalks and never need to collect firewood again
>>> ... we'll see.
>>>
>>> As a bonus, this makes biochar.
>>>
>>> [Bands with maize stalks.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Videos:
>>> Self help group leaders being trained on stalks in bands<
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/10VXniCh8-JFLg6EwFcImsmYbeJAEDu6D/view?usp=sharing
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>>> >
>>> Stalks in band burning<
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16QvwLwqTIQrV3rDuJGX_zqXJBoXZemKu/view?usp=sharing
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>>> >
>>> Swapping bands of stalks<
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZYqahvxprdjvsRkVav66clPegWoN3Uyc/view?usp=sharing
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin McLean, President
>>> Sun24.org
>>>
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