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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear Crispin and Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The problem of “oversized” stoves is
rising in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
The new houses are built regarding low-energy standards, made by the government
to bring down CO2 emission.( German key-words for different grades of energy-saving
houses: Niedrigenergiehaus, Passivhaus, Nullenergiehaus). Their main problems/difficulties/not-low-tech-solutions
are condensing-water and the need of forced change of air with its heat-recuperation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In that houses, the old “Kachelofen” with
its high mass and slow radiation of heat does not fit, even it is worse,
because of its good heat-radiation, which helps better in bad insulated old houses
to keep down heating-energy-needs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Many people like to have a stove apart from their
central-heating. But the current commercial stoves, which are used in normal
thermal-insulated houses have a normal working output ( Nennleistung ) of at least
4kw. Naturally they can be choked, mostly with less efficiency and less
cleanliness. The only commercial solutions for those new houses seem to be pellet-stoves.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I did not check how low they can be run, because
pellets are not my favour, but I saw a pellet stove in working, burning only about
some 5 or 10 pellets at once.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Crispin, possibly you are interested to know. There
is an Canadian wood-stove for boats with an thermal output of only 2kW,
which runs on wood or charcoal ( <a
href="http://www.dickinsonmarine.com/solid.html">http://www.dickinsonmarine.com/solid.html</a>
)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I ask myself: How far wood-stoves can be downsized?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From my opinion, real small wood-stoves, working properly
on _<i><span style='font-style:italic'>wood</span></i>_ , differ a lot from
normal sized stoves.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>-By the way, Crispin, there are projects in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Austria</st1:country-region></st1:place>
building well-insulated gers as well ( ger in German mostly called: Jurte ). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Referring to:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Message: 3<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Date: Sat, 30 Oct
2010 07:36:43 -0400<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>From:
"Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott@gmail.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>To:
"'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Dear Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Do you refer to
cooking stoves? I was actually referring to the air quality problem in UB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I agree there are
different perspectives on stove problems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>In <st1:place
w:st="on">Africa</st1:place> for a long time it was a fuel saving problem and
stoves were developed to have a higher heat transfer efficiency.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Later emissions
were a larger issue with indoor air quality being the main point. Fuel saving
is not as important save from the (incorrect) point of view that if one reduces
fuel consumption exposure to emissions is automatically reduced.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The situation in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ulaanbaatar</st1:place></st1:City> is one of
outdoor air quality. In fact indoor air quality is pretty good compared with
outdoors. As the place is so cold that one has to heat the home to live more
than a few days, everyone needs to generate heat somehow. The best answer is
thermal insulation and this is definitely being addressed, however upgrading
the entire housing stock is a formidable challenge. GTZ is working on
demonstrating super-insulated retro-fitting to old Soviet era precast concrete
buildings (basically 6"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>slabs of concrete
as walls). Millennium Challenge Corp is demonstrating super insulated ger
blankets (yurt covers). They cut heat demand in half.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The problem is
there are no stoves that match the lower heat demand of the highly insulated
buildings. The emissions from the stoves are produced in the first 40 minutes
of burning - almost all of it. If the home is insulated well, it means less
heat is required and people light the stove more often, which increases total
emissions. That was not the plan, eh?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>So the lighting
emissions have to be modelled into the stove use equation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>If we want to
clean up the air, we have to either limit the number of ignitions, modify the
ignition sequence to reduce emissions, keep the home fires burning all the time
at a low level (not good with existing hardware) or increase the amount of fuel
burned so the fire is running at a normal power level and not being re-started
several times a day.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The increasing
popularity if mass walls for storing heat is likely to increase emissions even
though at least in theory they save fuel (because they are condensing heat
exchangers).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Interesting
problem. We need a 2 kW stove for heating an super insulated ger. There is no
such thing at the moment as a clean burning 2 kW coal stove. </span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
am thinking of trying a fan stove.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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