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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear Crispin and Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The problem of “oversized” stoves is
rising in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Germany</st1:country-region></st1:place>.
The new houses are built regarding low-energy standards, made by the government
to bring down CO2 emission.( German key-words for different grades of energy-saving
houses: Niedrigenergiehaus, Passivhaus, Nullenergiehaus). Their main
problems/difficulties/not-low-tech-solutions are condensing-water and the need
of forced change of air with its heat-recuperation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In that houses, the old “Kachelofen” with
its high mass and slow radiation of heat does not fit, even it is worse,
because of its good heat-radiation, which helps better in bad insulated old
houses to keep down heating-energy-needs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Many people like to have a stove apart from their
central-heating. But the current commercial stoves, which are used in normal
thermal-insulated houses have a normal working output ( Nennleistung ) of at
least 4kw. Naturally they can be choked, mostly with less efficiency and less
cleanliness. The only commercial solutions for those new houses seem to be
pellet-stoves.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I did not check how low they can be run, because
pellets are not my favour, but I saw a pellet stove in working, burning only
about some 5 or 10 pellets at once.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Crispin, possibly you are interested to know. There
is an Canadian wood-stove for boats with an thermal output of only 2kW,
which runs on wood or charcoal ( <a
href="http://www.dickinsonmarine.com/solid.html"
title="http://www.dickinsonmarine.com/solid.html">http://www.dickinsonmarine.com/solid.html</a>
)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I ask myself: How far wood-stoves can be downsized?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From my opinion, real small wood-stoves, working
properly on _<i><span style='font-style:italic'>wood</span></i>_ , differ a lot
from normal sized stoves.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>-By the way, Crispin, there are projects in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Austria</st1:country-region></st1:place>
building well-insulated gers as well ( ger in German mostly called: Jurte ). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Referring to:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Message: 3<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010
07:36:43 -0400<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>From: "Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott@gmail.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>To: "'Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves'"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Dear Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Do you refer to cooking
stoves? I was actually referring to the air quality problem in UB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I agree there are different
perspectives on stove problems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>In <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place>
for a long time it was a fuel saving problem and stoves were developed to have
a higher heat transfer efficiency.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Later emissions were a
larger issue with indoor air quality being the main point. Fuel saving is not
as important save from the (incorrect) point of view that if one reduces fuel
consumption exposure to emissions is automatically reduced.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The situation in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Ulaanbaatar</st1:City></st1:place> is one of
outdoor air quality. In fact indoor air quality is pretty good compared with
outdoors. As the place is so cold that one has to heat the home to live more
than a few days, everyone needs to generate heat somehow. The best answer is
thermal insulation and this is definitely being addressed, however upgrading
the entire housing stock is a formidable challenge. GTZ is working on
demonstrating super-insulated retro-fitting to old Soviet era precast concrete
buildings (basically 6"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>slabs of concrete as walls).
Millennium Challenge Corp is demonstrating super insulated ger blankets (yurt
covers). They cut heat demand in half.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The problem is there are no
stoves that match the lower heat demand of the highly insulated buildings. The
emissions from the stoves are produced in the first 40 minutes of burning -
almost all of it. If the home is insulated well, it means less heat is required
and people light the stove more often, which increases total emissions. That
was not the plan, eh?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>So the lighting emissions
have to be modelled into the stove use equation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>If we want to clean up the
air, we have to either limit the number of ignitions, modify the ignition
sequence to reduce emissions, keep the home fires burning all the time at a low
level (not good with existing hardware) or increase the amount of fuel burned
so the fire is running at a normal power level and not being re-started several
times a day.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The increasing popularity if
mass walls for storing heat is likely to increase emissions even though at
least in theory they save fuel (because they are condensing heat exchangers).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Interesting problem. We need
a 2 kW stove for heating an super insulated ger. There is no such thing
at the moment as a clean burning 2 kW coal stove. </span></font><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
am thinking of trying a fan stove.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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