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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Timothy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Emissions are not produced by fuels, they are produced by stoves. Any fuel can be burned cleanly if the device is tuned to it. The question facing fuel makers is: how do I burn this fuel I have, cleanly? There is always an answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was speaking to GERES (North Asia) a couple of days ago and we are thinking about making a fairly large dung burning stove. There is a huge need for such a device. The literature will tell you that dung is a ‘dirty smoky fuel with a low combustion efficiency’. Well, those are all problems of the stove, not the fuel. Dung is a great fuel!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Timothy Roy Longwell<br><b>Sent:</b> 04 December 2010 20:14<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Forest residues use, as applied to the wet process /low pressure, hand briquettemaking, briquetter....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Greetings,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Has anyone else done emissions evaluations of briquettes? We have found that briquettes made of a) sawdust, b) grass and c) pine needles (with newspaper as the binding agent) have higher carbon monoxide and dioxide and PM when compared with pine fire wood.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#00B050'>Ing. Timothy Roy Longwell</span></i><i><span lang=ES style='color:#00B050'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#00B050'>Profesor Asociado de la Carrera de Desarrollo Socioeconómico y Ambiente, </span></i><i><span lang=ES-HN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#00B050'>Jefe de la Empresa Universitaria Forestales </span></i><i><span lang=ES-HN style='color:#00B050'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#00B050'>E. A. P. El Zamorano</span></i><i><span lang=ES-HN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#00B050'>Honduras, América Central</span></i><i><span lang=ES-HN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anand Karve<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 04, 2010 5:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Forest residues use, as applied to the wet process /low pressure, hand briquettemaking, briquetter....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>Dear Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>agricultural residues are difficult to collect from the field if the crop is harvested using a combine harvester. But in most farms in India, the harvesting is done manually and the threshing is done on a threshing floor. In such a case, a huge quantity of residue accumulates near the threshing floor. The officials of the Department of Agriculture recommend that the residues be either composted or spread back on the field to rot there. But the farmers burn the residues instead. Since the residues are present at one place in relatively large quantities, one can think of briquetting them either as such or after charring them. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>Yours<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>A.D.Karve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Richard Stanley <<a href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>The resource picture as applied to wet process briquetting, would tend to see the actual forest resource data a bot more selectively, because they will just be picking off the leaf and twig faction... <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>Even at that, few producers, working in their local capacity as self contained and sustained, unsubsidized entrepreneurships, will go around raking up leaves off a forest floor because it's simply too much work ! They and we here in Obamaland-- for our own household, will generally just look for this stuff where its windblown in depressions or other natural areas of wind deposition (corners of buildings, curbs, trenches, gullies etc)...These places are, nicely enough, usually locations where the leaf extraction is both aesthetically friendly and environmentally neutral, because their removal cleans up the environment and has little to zero impact on soil tilth..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>Even at that however, ag residues are only part of the resource. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>Why ? Simple economy of effort. Most of us will prefer to seek out readily available commercial processing wastes ( sawdust/ rice husks / charcoal crumbs/ waste paper and selected cartonboard residues) as these do not require fermentation and / or entensive retting. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>The ag residue blending part requires greater skills in handling too: Its for Briquetting 202<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>Pressing on,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>Richard Stanley<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>back home in Obamaland<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>On Dec 3, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Ron and Richard</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have seen it writ here and there that 50% of the biomass of a commercially managed forest remains on the forest floor after harvesting (branches, leaves and stumps). It is often raked into rows and burned to prevent fires later.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Crispin</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><a href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><a href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>***<br>Dr. A.D. 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