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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Actually, I
think there might be something much more important than millipedes. Chagas is
a very serious, and potentially deadly disease propagated by an insect (the
kissing bug) that lives in thatched roofs or adobe homes. It had never occurred
to me until I read this that the reason people came to cook inside in tropical
climates might have something to do with the kissing bug. When I lived in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Nicaragua</st1:place></st1:country-region> (2007
to 2008), Chagas was alive and well there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'>So . . . .eliminate thatched roorw, although it also
lives and thrives in adobe or other kinds of buildings in tropical climates if
they are not well maintained, in the open cracks. So, if people cook inside
consciously or unconsciously because of the threat of chagas, eliminate chagas
and perhaps they will move their stoves outside!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Katherine P.
Ransel</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><a
href="mailto:kransel@gmail.com">kransel@gmail.com</a></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'>Seattle</span></font></st1:City><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'>, <st1:State w:st="on">WA</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>(206)783-4875</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>“I have
just three things to teach: </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>simplicity,
patience, compassion. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>These three are
your greatest treasures.” </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Lao Tzu</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marc Pare<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 06, 2011
11:21 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Stoves] Improved
Stoves without chimneys being used indoors ornot?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm not sure what the context for this question is, but the
social/anthropological side seems to be missing from the response. Here are
some data points about why people cook indoors despite it being
"obviously" harmful:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>* My little sister returned from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Cameroon</st1:place></st1:country-region> with the observation that
three-stone fires have very strong cultural ties. To divorce a woman you throw
one of the stones from inside the house outside. Not sure what it would mean to
convince these families to move their cooking outside...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>* Similarly, she mentioned that most people don't think smoke from
fires is what causes their coughs or irritated eyes. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>* Some people need smoky fires to keep bugs from growing in
their thatched roofs. Imagine trying to convince someone that they should risk
having giant millipedes fall from the roof on them while sleeping for some
long-term health benefit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm sure there a thousand other little stories like this from people on
this list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br clear=all>
Marc Paré<br>
B.S. Mechanical Engineering<br>
Georgia Institute of Technology | Université de Technologie de Compiègne<br>
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my cv, etc. | <a href="http://notwandering.com" target="_blank">http://notwandering.com</a><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Paul S. Anderson <<a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Stovers,<br>
<br>
I received a question and I share my response so that others can comment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
Since <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place> has a far<br>
higher incidence of death from indoor air pollution than any other<br>
continent. Do you understand the reason for that to be that more people<br>
cook inside their homes than in other continents?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
In <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>
we cook inside our houses. But we have clean stoves.<br>
<br>
A greater percentage of people in <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place> are
using poor, smokey stoves/3-stone fires without ventilation of the cooking area.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If not, do you know what<br>
the reason is? Are you aware of any projects where people who have<br>
traditionally cooked inside their homes have been persuaded over the long<br>
term to cook outside in order to use a clean burning cookstove?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
I do not know of efforts to convince people who cook indoors with bad stoves to
move their stoves outside. Comments, anyone? But see next comment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I see<br>
pictures on the websites of various of stove makers of stoves being used<br>
both indoors and out. Is there a protocol for indoor versus outdoor use<br>
among stovemakers?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The vast majority of
stove makers do NOT recommend that their stoves be used inside unless there is
a chimney. Potential liability issues, probably.<br>
<br>
But my question is: when people who have terrible smokey homes get an
improved cookstove ICS that is much cleaner, but not super clean and no
chimney, do they simply use it indoors? Or do the new stove and stove
providers alter the cooking habits so much that the households take the ICS
outside or into a better ventilated room?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
-- <br>
Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br>
Known to some as: Dr. TLUD Doc Professor<br>
Phone (<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>):
309-452-7072 SKYPE: paultlud Email: <a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br>
<a href="http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf"
target="_blank">www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf</a>
(Best ref.)<br>
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