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Let me know if you are successful getting Jompy into Canada. I
think there is something in between Hugh's paint tin stove and the
Jompy that we could develop.<br>
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I am continuing trails with Biochar and Humates with the worms. A
young student at RMC/Queen's is writing her thesus and this report
will be very interesting.<br>
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Gerrie<br>
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On 08/04/2011 4:20 PM, Lloyd Helferty wrote:
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Crispin,<br>
<br>
It's easy enough to create a<b> "short and hot" flame</b> from a
biomass gasifier.<br>
It was recently demonstrated for us in Illinois by Hugh
McLaughlin using one of his TinCan TLUD's (see photo).<br>
(Note: With very simple device made out of tin cans, which was<i>
fan-powered</i>, the flame was very hot, but no more than an
inch or so tall...)<br>
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P.S. I am hoping to help get devices like the Jompy into Canada --
especially for our many isolated Northern communities (First
Nations**), who continue to deal with many water issues.<br>
(We might wish to discuss this further sometime.)<br>
<br>
** As highlighted by the <i><b>Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs</b></i>,<br>
<blockquote> “The lack of safe drinking water to First Nation
communities is not caused by a lack of regulations. The lack of
safe drinking water is cause by a<b> lack of infrastructure,
financial resources and technical expertise</b> to ensure the
safety of the water supply.”<br>
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<br>
P.S. There is even a Proposed <i><b>Safe Drinking Water for First
Nations Act</b></i> (Bill S-11) before parliament right now.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/enr/wtr/esp/bll-eng.asp">http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/enr/wtr/esp/bll-eng.asp</a><br>
<br>
The proposed legislation also addresses recommendations made by
the <i><b>Commissioner of Environment and Sustainable Development</b></i>
(Office of the Auditor General), the <i><b>Expert Panel on Safe
Drinking Water for First Nations</b></i>, and the <i><b>Senate
Standing Committee on Aboriginal Peoples</b></i>.<br>
<br>
The<i><b> Expert Panel on Safe Drinking Water for First Nations</b></i>,
established in June 2006, was one of the principal components of
the federal government’s March 2006 <i><b>Plan of Action for
Drinking Water in First Nations Communities</b></i>. The Panel
held a series of public hearings across Canada throughout the
summer of 2006 and tabled its report in November 2006.<br>
<br>
Following the introduction of Bill S-11, the <i><b>Assembly of
First Nations</b></i> issued a press release stating that the
proposed legislation "<i>will <b>not</b> meet the objective of
ensuring First Nations have access to safe drinking water</i>".<br>
The <i><b>Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development</b></i>
already defines "priority communities" as those communities that
have both <i><b>high-risk drinking water systems</b></i> and a <i>drinking
water advisory</i>. (Indian and Northern Affairs Canada (INAC)
is just concluding a <u>national assessment of First Nation water
and sanitation systems</u>, which will be released soon...)<br>
<br>
The Bill has gone through 2nd Reading in the House of Commons
and their last meeting was March 9, 2011, but now that there is an
election everything is on hold. They still have to come up with a
Committee Report and the Report has to go through Presentation and
Debate(s) before going through a 3rd Reading before the Act comes
into force, which will likely be well <i>after the election</i>.<br>
<br>
My hope is that with the introduction of devices like the Jompy
that we can help to <b><i>prevent</i> the privatization of water
infrastructure in First Nation communities</b> by Governments
that are intent on finding "solutions" but don't have the budgets
to build major water infrastructure in all of these remote
communities of the North, especially given the constrained budgets
of <i>all</i> Governments (and communities) right now.<br>
(Note: The existing legislation essentially allows for "a
private, for-profit entity to build, operate and/or manage its
water and wastewater services" in First Nation communities.)<br>
see: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://canadians.org/water/documents/FN/Bill-S11.pdf">http://canadians.org/water/documents/FN/Bill-S11.pdf</a><br>
<blockquote> <b>Risk of Water Privatization in First Nation
Communities</b><br>
Subsection 4. (1)(c)(iii) states that “regulations may confer on
any person or body the power, exercisable in specified
circumstances and subject to specified conditions, to require a
first nation to enter into an agreement for the management of
its drinking water system or waste water system in cooperation
with a third party.”<br>
<br>
We are extremely concerned that this clause could open the door
to water privatization in First Nation communities. This
subsection provides the Canadian government with the power to
force a First Nation community to allow a private, for-profit
entity to build, operate and/or manage its water and wastewater
services. To be clear this clause alone does not guarantee the
privatization of water and wastewater services in First Nation
communities. However, given the<i><b> lack of funding
commitments in Bill S-11</b></i>, this clause facilitates
water privatization on reserves. <br>
Given federal financing trends and the negotiation of a trade
agreement between Canada and the European Union, it is possible
that the operationalization of this clause in the current
economic and political context will lead privatization in some
First Nation communities.<br>
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Canada is an enigma. We are considered a "first world" nation, yet
<b>the social, economic, and demographic characteristics</b> of
remote <i><b>Inuit, Aboriginal and First Nations communities</b></i>
in Canada often <b>mirror those in <big> <i>developing nations</i></big></b>.<br>
<br>
These remote, Northern communities are often challenged by
limited access to health services, low socio-economic status, high
unemployment, crowded and poor-quality housing, low educational
achievement, and in particular, concerns regarding basic services
such as <b>drinking water quality and sanitation</b>.<br>
<br>
Multiple Canadian Government agencies are tasked with looking
after the people of the North. These include "<b>Indian and
Northern Affairs Canada</b>", "<b>Health Canada</b>" and the "<b>Public
Health Agency of Canada</b>", among others (yes, Canada does
have <i><b>two [2] <u>separate and autonomous</u> Health
Agencies</b></i>... see: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/">http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca</a> and <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/">http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca</a>).<br>
<br>
It is now understood that conventional technologies for drinking
water treatment are no longer considered adequate for ensuring the
delivery of potable water to the communities of Northern Canada.
This is particularly true in smaller, more remote communities,
where the infrastructure for <b>treatment of</b> both <b>drinking
water</b> and <b>wastewater**</b> is often limited and can be <i><b>very
expensive</b></i>.<br>
<br>
**Note: <b>Wastewater treatment solutions</b> for the North could
also include technologies like <i><b>Biochar Composting Toilets</b></i>...<br>
<br>
"Source water protection" is a relatively new concept for these
communities, and is NOT helped by the fact that most of the <i><b>extractive
industries</b></i> [i.e. <b>mining</b>] is done in the North,
and is very loosely regulated, if at all.<br>
(Most mining laws and policies in Canada do not allow for local
populations to consent (or not) to mining projects that will
affect their communities and environment. see: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.yorku.ca/cerlac/EI/papers/Lapointe.pdf">http://www.yorku.ca/cerlac/EI/papers/Lapointe.pdf</a>)<br>
<br>
Thus, most of the Indigenous communities in Canada’s North have
some kind of <b><i>problems with drinking water quality </i></b>that
will continue to be experienced in the communities of Northern
Canada for years (and perhaps decades to come -- as a result of
the legacy of <i><b>toxic waste disposal</b></i>), which
highlights the need for<b> simple and inexpensive clean water
technologies</b> as a "back up" to the local water treatment
systems in these communities, since <i>centralized water
treatment</i> alone cannot be relied upon to protect human
health.<br>
(The residents of at hundreds of aboriginal reserves must boil
their water before it is safe to drink.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2008/04/07/boil-advisory.html">http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2008/04/07/boil-advisory.html</a>)<br>
<blockquote> "Ninety people in Canada die and another <b>90,000</b>
get sick from drinking contaminated water each year." <br>
</blockquote>
Some reserves have been under <b><i>boil-water advisories</i></b>
for <u>years</u>.<br>
Amazingly, Canada does not have national drinking water quality
standards.<br>
<br>
A recent paper released by the <b><i>Sierra Legal Defence Fund</i></b>
reported "<i>major drinking water concerns in First Nations
communities and all northern regions where drinking water
treatment technologies are often inadequate or poorly maintained</i>".<br>
<br>
Compounding the difficulties in protecting sources of drinking
water is the reality that wastewater treatment systems that work
in the south are often <i><b>not appropriate for use in the far
north</b></i>. (Wastewater in the North is presently
discharged to lagoons or natural wetlands that are often <u><i>
frozen</i></u> for much of the year.)<br>
<br>
The people of the North are in need of simple technological
solutions for the treatment of drinking water, which could become
an important tool for ensuring outbreaks of disease in these
communities does not recur due to contaminated drinking water
issues.<br>
<br>
Any drinking water treatment technology that is used must also
be easily adopted by northern (Indigenous) communities (in order
to ensure long-term sustainability).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
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On 2011-04-08 3:55 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear Christa
Good to hear from you.
I wondered what Marlis was up to in the highlands.
Still looking forward to making my first trip to Madagascar.
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<pre wrap="">the Swiss NGO ADES ran with the idea and started making pot supports in 2009, but I only saw the first stove in Switzerland last year (see photos). I don't know the cost but it is affordable.
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<pre wrap="">This looks like a great way to create a tapered gas space under the pot. If you remember the guy with the water heating coil (Jompy, UK?)...there is a guy Werner Schultz in Namibia making stoves for his staff that have a coiled pipe inside the stove body. Such a pipe could be cast into a stove top like the one in you photo, sort of a combination of the two ideas. Werner uses copper pipe.
So let's give it shot in a few countries.
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<pre wrap="">and I like Crispins idea to cast different pots.
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<pre wrap="">I think Dale would be please to see his work verified in a real product. If recasting a pot saves 15 or 25% of the fuel, or just makes cooking faster, that would be a quick and reliable improvement. Once the idea caught on all future pots would have fins. I saw a finned wok somewhere - I think at an ETHOS meeting (?). Clearly would help with a gas/biogas cooker, probably gasifiers too if the flame is short and hot.
Paul, I know you're listening!
Regards
Crispin in Toronto
Let us know how things go. It might be easier to getting the pots adopted than some stoves...
regards Christa
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