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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Re. Household cooking. <br>We are about to undertake a paper in Kenya to complete a social and health impact study. Glasgow Uni and Celsius Global Solutions (CGS) are to test the Jompy boiler in situ completing necessary information, there is room for a stove trial, what do you have on mind? <br>www.jompy.co.uk<br>You can contact me openly or in private. Email, celsius4u@hotmail.com<br><br>> From: stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> Subject: Stoves Digest, Vol 11, Issue 6<br>> To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:00:02 -0700<br>> <br>> Send Stoves mailing list submissions to<br>> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of Stoves digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Re household cooking (John Davies)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:34:51 +0200<br>> From: "John Davies" <jmdavies@telkomsa.net><br>> To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"<br>> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Re household cooking<br>> Message-ID: <001501cc3ecb$79ffc430$6dff4c90$@telkomsa.net><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> <br>> Paal wrote,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> There is a need of a practical test where fuel and stove are evaluated<br>> together with the user. If you are saving some some energy and some minutes<br>> in time of cooking, it can easy be lost by handling the fuel and the stove<br>> or by cleaning the pots. The stove, the fuel and the cook is one unit,<br>> working together with respect for each others specialities.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> These are very wise words. At the first demonstration of my TLUD<br>> bituminous coal stove, which uses a chimney, with the pot sealing the top<br>> of the stove. I remember the reaction of some of the onlookers. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> After lighting the stove, and placing the pot, smoke exited the chimney, and<br>> stopped after less than 1 minute. I knew that the chimney had started<br>> drafting, pulling secondary air into the flame and causing the clean burn.<br>> <br>> One onlooker pronounced that the fire had extinguished, and many others<br>> agreed. Lifting the pot allowed a smoky flame to exit the stove. I replaced<br>> the pot and told them that the water would be boiling in 4 minutes. This<br>> caused much amusement and shaking of heads. Now there was much<br>> inspection of what was going on, with people standing close to the stove,<br>> feeling the heat and watching the chimney. The water boiled in 4 minutes,<br>> much to the amazement of many.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> This proves Paal's comment about the user component. How does one explain<br>> to the user, and gain their acceptance that there can be fire without smoke.<br>> Especially if the flame cannot be seen. A case of training, training,<br>> training. With this stove, part of the answer was to drill a 3mm peep hole<br>> at a strategic place, so that the user could see the flame. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Even if the user does not fully understand what is going on, acceptance is<br>> the minimum criteria. Acceptance to accept what cannot be understood, and<br>> acceptance of all the operating instructions. Not always an easy task, but<br>> proof that intensive training of the user is needed.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Greetings to all, and keep up the good work.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> John Davies.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20110710/5949523d/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Stoves mailing list<br>> <br>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> <br>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br>> http://www.bioenergylists.org/<br>> <br>> <br>> End of Stoves Digest, Vol 11, Issue 6<br>> *************************************<br> </div></body>
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