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Roger,<br>
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I think Ron makes a lot of sense and for you to withdraw from the
list will cause all of us less waste of time.<br>
From your comment, do I infer that you believe a certain mass of
fuel can produce an amount of heat depending on your belief?<br>
<br>
Piet<br>
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On 28/07/2011 15:43, Fireside Hearth wrote:
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Dear Ron.....<br>
<br>
What I have is 26 years of proven track record without
the fancy language, or insults. I have created a stove, maybe by
instinct, which works "damn well". I know what "pre" epa stoves
did in our area, and what happened when certification came
along. I was in the labs at Lopi and Avalon when they met their
first certification challenge. It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out what burns dirty or clean, smoke out put
is a great indicator. <br>
The best parameters I can give you would be what we are
doing on a daily basis with this stove. If we burn a 5 lb log
rated at 8500 btu/lb and a moisture content of approx 8% at a
low run we have a burn time of up to 12 hours. During this burn
our stove's cook top temps run up to 1150 deg.F. and the
internal temps can run up to 1600.deg f. My flue gas temps will
stay below 350 deg.f Yes I wish to get this verified and will
during my certification process, what I am going on for the
majority of my claims would be crude tests done on my own and
also in comparison to what other heat sources do in the same
environment. For example I have a gas fireplace in my bedroom
with a btu and efficiency rating confirmed in an independent
lab. My unit produces a full third more heat in the same room,
in far less time. Our ability to chat in foreign jargon might be
hindering our ability to get our point well understood, but is
seems many folks on this site would rather insult than check it
out. <br>
If you wish to talk further I can be reached at
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:firesidehearthvashon@hotmail.com">firesidehearthvashon@hotmail.com</a> but I think I have had
enough of the sort of intelligence, which seems both rude and
blinding, and a waste of my time.<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:20:40 +0200<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rwhongser@web.de">rwhongser@web.de</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] WorldStove replies to BioFuelWatyche's
latestimprecisereporting of facts.<br>
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Dear Roger,<br>
I had at the point of writing not positively identified you as
the person behind "Fireside Hearth". Sorry!<br>
<br>
The point that you seem to be missing with your "claims" and
"belief" is that a 5 lb extruded log cannot provide 5kW of
heat for 14hours. It's plain and simple physically impossible.
200° is relative to the ambient temperature. Unless you're on
the S. Pole or on a very high mountain momentarily your
ambient temp is highly unlikely around -30 --> 45°C. That
explains the long burn time. CO is invisible, so your claim
"no visible smoke" is relatively meaningless. I don't care if
you're advertising, but if you're going to advertise here, you
need to do so with meaningful facts. Meaningful facts would be
having some sensor-output with concrete numbers(CO, O2, H2O,
CO2, etc. in % and some temperatures would be salient). If I
seem negative, it's merely because you continue to refuse
giving meaningful information and continue to make claims that
are relatively meaningless.<br>
<br>
That you firmly believe the stoves in Mongolia are pre-EPA
technology flies in the face of the data about the stoves in
question that Crispin has already provided you.<br>
<br>
I wish you well and hope you succeed with your business, but
you'll actually find help here if you will answer questions
posed by the long-time members of the list who ask you for
specifics.<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
Ron<br>
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