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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>A friend just sent me this link and a reminder that the $25 I quoted
you was the discount for seniors, low income persons and students. Apparently
everyone else pays $60.00. Still a bargain.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Fireside Hearth<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 08, 2011 9:07
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Stoves] Jatropha and
its future</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>AHHH that makes more sense now. So
as a new guy on the block with a new toy to share I am interested in the Ethos
conference. Is this open to anyone or is it an invite only type of thing? I
understand this is held in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Kirkland</st1:City>
<st1:State w:st="on">Wash.</st1:State></st1:place> (close to my home) and what
sort of costs are associated? We would be excited to share our new technology
in an environment such as this. Could you give me more info? <br>
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Thank you for responding! <br>
Roger and Bridget Lehet<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: janbianchi@comcast.net<br>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 08:56:48 -0700<br>
To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha and its future<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>That stove in the ETHOS pictures was a prototype version.
The stove is now made from steel. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Jan<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Aug 8, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Fireside Hearth <<a
href="mailto:firesidehearthvashon@hotmail.com">firesidehearthvashon@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Good morning....<br>
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I am curious about a couple of the pictures of the stove by Otto....do I see
galvanized sheet metal used in area's of high heat? the text talks about 800deg
C. (1472 f.) if there is galvanized materials in contact with these temps it is
quite possible that galvanic poisoning could kill the operator. A friend of
mine was welding inside a galvanized pipe (large culvert for water drainage)
when his oxygen mask failed and a green colored gas entered his lungs causing
him some of the most horrible pain and near death experience imaginable. The
other question I have is the material thickness. It does not look like this
will withstand these temperatures for long. What is the life expectancy of this
unit when exposed to these temps. Does it make sense to build something a bit
more stout and send less of them to the land fill as the "burn out"
too quickly with these exposures. Not all ways can we value things simply on
"cost per unit" but "cost to the environment" should be
taken into account. After looking at the industrial area's of northern <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region> it seems
to me that it is the environment which is paying for our "cheap" flat
screens. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: <a
href="mailto:janbianchi@comcast.net"></a><a href="mailto:janbianchi@comcast.net">janbianchi@comcast.net</a><br>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 08:08:37 -0700<br>
To: <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"></a><a
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha and its future<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Jet</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">City</st1:PlaceType> StoveWorks is currently conducting kitchen tests
of the jatropha seed stove Marc refers to in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Tanzania</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> Jatropha grows wild throughout the tropics as
well as recently as biodiesel <span class=ecxapple-style-span> crop
there. Alternatively, and more productively, it can be grown as a hedge
around land holdings so it need not displace land for food production.
That produces enough seed to fuel the family cookstove for a year as well
as have some left over to sell into the Jatropha market. It costs at least four
times less than a comparable burn time for wood and six times less than
charcoal.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>We are continuing CO and PM testing and hope to have our
test results online by next month. We had a stove at Aprovecho's stove
camp couple of weeks ago and will have one at Paul Anderson's TLUD camp in MA
in August. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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On Aug 8, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Marc Pare <<a href="mailto:mpare@gatech.edu"></a><a
href="mailto:mpare@gatech.edu">mpare@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>There was this one at ETHOS this year by J. Otto and
friends:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma'><a
href="http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/proceedings2011/OttoOttoCovert_JatrophaSeedCookingStoveDevelopmentPromotion.pdf"
target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/proceedings2011/OttoOttoCovert_JatrophaSeedCookingStoveDevelopmentPromotion.pdf"
target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/proceedings2011/OttoOttoCovert_JatrophaSeedCookingStoveDevelopmentPromotion.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/proceedings2011/OttoOttoCovert_JatrophaSeedCookingStoveDevelopmentPromotion.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>and a quick picture of it running outside in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kirkland</st1:place></st1:City>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><a
href="http://smallredtile.tumblr.com/post/3246717546/marc-in-the-wild-there-were-many-arguments-about"
target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://smallredtile.tumblr.com/post/3246717546/marc-in-the-wild-there-were-many-arguments-about"
target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://smallredtile.tumblr.com/post/3246717546/marc-in-the-wild-there-were-many-arguments-about"
target="_blank">http://smallredtile.tumblr.com/post/3246717546/marc-in-the-wild-there-were-many-arguments-about</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>It burns whole seeds in a natural draft TLUD. Draft is
augmented by an inner air pipe (lots of pictures of the assembly in the ETHOS
presentation)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br clear=all>
Marc Paré<br>
B.S. Mechanical Engineering<br>
Georgia Institute of Technology | Université de Technologie de Compiègne<br>
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my cv, etc. | <a href="http://notwandering.com" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://notwandering.com" target="_blank"></a><a
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
<<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Dear Friends<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I am not sure how many stove are being worked on as
Jatropha seed or oil or cake burners, but my understanding was the main thrust
was to put to use some of the leftovers from biofuel production, especially
that was the focus in Tanzania.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>It seems those farmers who invested in Jatropha
production lost about $65 per ha <a
href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es201943v" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es201943v" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es201943v" target="_blank">http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es201943v</a>
so my question is whether or not there is much point in working on (perhaps)
whole seed stoves. Perhaps if the J-oil industry suffers a quick death there
will still be a meaningful supply of oily seed fuel that can be burned
relatively easily with a decent performance and controllability. At least until
they go back to sunflower which looks a lot more promising.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Has anyone made a sunflower seed burning stove? The
oil runs up to 49% on some varieties.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Always looking for new ideas…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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