<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Jan and list:<br><br> Thanks for the detailed responses. I hope you can continue to supply good photos like those we have seen. Very helpful in figuring out how to make pyrolysis stoves move faster. I think the central secondary air post has a lot of promise. I believe a combination pot and stove combination could give high efficiency with where you are heading, since you already have a convective shield geometry. As said earlier, I think a control over primary air is important and will prove valuable in more than the shutdown operation<br> The use of the full jatropha seed seems to be a good solution where rural folk need propety boundaries. In reading about jatropha, I see there are big gains to be made in seed production through proper pruning (same as for almonds) - so your stove system could have a bigger supply than now being planned for and can maybe get to more urban folk as well.<br><br>Ron<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Jan Bianchi" <janbianchi@comcast.net><br><b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Cc: </b>rongretlarson@comcast.net<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:14:47 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Stoves] Jatropha and its future<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Thank you for your questions about the Jiko Safi, the jatropha seed
stove that Jet City StoveWorks is currently testing. I apologize for the delay
in response, but I had to pass the questions on to our developers as I am not
technically competent to answer all of them.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Why use jatropha in the Jiko Safi? Why whole seed?</span></font></u> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Frankly, we got involved in developing a jatropha seed stove because it
hadn’t been successfully done. Past efforts resulted in a very fast, smoky
burn. Jonathan Otto, who has been working in East Africa
with farmers engaged in jatropha production, knew about the past failures and jatropha’s
abundance there and urged us to try. One of our developers, Dave Covert, is an
emeritus research professor in Atmospheric Sciences from the University of Washington
and the other, David Otto, is a contractor/ tinkerer extraordinaire in Seattle. They had not traditionally
been “stovers,” but they are now.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">As you know, jatropha is a very common tropical and
sub-tropical non-food plant with high energy content, available from Haiti to Bhutan
to Indonesia.
It can be easily cultivated as a hedge row and on land not suitable
for other crops. In many areas of the world we have reached 'Peak Wood."
Things will not change for the better as population expands. One
estimate suggests less than 4% of the jatropha seed is harvested. We
believe this largely unused rural energy source has potential as an alternative
to tree burning stoves, both charcoal and wood. We believe that “there
is no food security without fuel security” and jatropha can be a secure
fuel. Our hope is to make the alternative stove available to the people who
are now walking for hours past jatropha on their way to a diminishing supply of
trees. We expect that eventually jatropha seed will also be available on
the street corners in villages and urban areas just as the much more
expensive charcoal and kerosene are now.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">In several places around the world, there are experiments going on with
jatropha seed cake and rice hull blends where seed is purchased from the
farmer then transported to a center with the electricity necessary to
run three machines: an extractor that removes about 95% of the oil, a
hammer mill processes the seed cake with the rice hulls and other
ingredients, and a pelletizer to form the material in a way it can be burned.
Finally the pellets are transported back to the farmer/cook. This approach to
using jatropha could prove to work well in areas that have the machinery
and the electricity. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">In the meantime, Jet City StoveWorks is focusing on a whole seed as a
fuel for its simplicity, availability and very small carbon footprint as
well as putting the farmer/ cook in charge of her fuel. It is a natural pellet
stove.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">How did this stove come to have a central air
duct, a chimney, no port adjustment equipment, the amount of secondary air
holes etc.?</span></font></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">We started with several specific goals: </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">(1) The stove was specific to jatropha with its high energy content.
Other seeds with high oil content may work: castor, croton and sunflower
seeds come to mind, though some have competing uses. We will be testing them in
time. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">(2) The stove must be direct, intuitive and simple to use, requiring
only a demonstration of how to light a TLUD stove. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">(3) The stove will operate with natural draft: without fan if
possible and without moving parts--the bane of all machines in developing
areas.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">(4) The stove must be designed to have the lowest possible emissions
and remove whatever pollution that is created away from the cook and her
family. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">(5) The stove must be durable and long lasting. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">(6) The stove's truly important field test is its success in meeting
the cook's needs as she prepares daily meals because only then will it be used.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">The stove evolved over the past twelve months to its current form.
Starting with TLUD principles (e.g. seeking the correct balance of primary and
secondary air, thank you Paul Anderson), we then made rough calculations of
the energy captured in the seed and started building and modifying in a
typical iterative process. Typical stove designs all had too much primary
air and often a promising design would work well in some respect but not all.
For example, we had one model that would boil water like crazy but
the temperature just above the fuel was over 1100 C. When the central air
duct was added in a week long testing at the wonderful facility at CREEC in Uganda,
the opposing secondary air currents brought the turbulent flame down to a
flat, reliable pattern. We are experimenting with an adjustment that
allows the primary air to be shut off at the end of a burn to cut off the smoke
that usually occurs at that point. We are currently doing pollution
testing, advocate open source principles and so will be posting information at
our new web site which is currently under construction. http//jetcitystoveworks.com
</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">The Jiko Safi is currently being manufactured by metal workers in Arusha, Tanzania,
who we have assisted in the financing of the tools and jigs necessary to
produce the stove within the tolerances required. That is the model we expect
to use wherever we introduce the stove so there will be local economic
development opportunities as well as someone available to repair the stove, if
necessary. It is currently designed to be used only outside. We hope that
kitchen testing will tell us whether it can be used indoors as long as the
chimney is ventilated to the outside.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">The testing and manufacture is under being done with the assistance of
the Department of Agriculture, Partnership for Development, JANI, (Jatropha
Agriculture and Nutrition Initiative in Tanzania, and Pamoja, Inc. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Thanks for your interest and questions. We welcome suggestions.</span></font></p>
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rongretlarson@comcast.net [mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 08, 2011 8:21
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves; Jan Bianchi<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Stoves] Jatropha and
its future</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Jan and
list<br>
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This is to better understand your nice Jet
City stove .(for non West Coast USA readers - that means Seattle - which has a lot of Biochar
activity)<br>
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1. How did you happen to center on Jatropha? Have you
experimented both with whole seeds and the residue after pressing and how does
stove operation differ? Have you tried anything like wood chips?<br>
<br>
2. I think the flame pattern in your stove is wonderful. As
you say, very compact and obviously very turbulent - which must be
desirable. I am pretty sure the idea of central secondary air has been
mentioned n the past on this list as a possibility - but I don't recall ever
seeing it in practice. Can you describe a bit how you came to the present
dimensions ?<br>
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3. I worry that you may now have too much secondary air - as the flame
seems to only be holding near the bottom row or two. Have you any way of
knowing what the dilution factor is? Tried operation with a smaller
number of interior holes (just plugging some progressively)?<br>
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4. The central "column" (maybe with a different height) looks
like it might be able to hold a pot of the right size - since you would
then already have the "convection shield" that gives considerable
efficiency improvement. And you could retain the chimney height needed to get
your desired air flow and power level. Ever been tried?<br>
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5. I have felt that controlling primary air supply to be an important
feature of pyrolysis stoves (TLUDs). It seems your bottom set of holes
could receive a rotating or sliding (or up and down) plate to accomplish
that. Has that ever been tried? (This being accomplished nicely
with a blower in the "Paul Olivier design also being discussed today.)<br>
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Best of luck with what you are doing. Nice work.<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
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font-weight:bold">From: </span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:black">"Jan Bianchi"
<janbianchi@comcast.net><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span></b>"Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves"
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent: </span></b>Monday, August 8, 2011
9:56:48 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span></b>Re: [Stoves] Jatropha and
its future</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">That stove in the ETHOS pictures was a
prototype version. The stove is now made from steel. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
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Sent from my iPhone</span></font></p>
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On Aug 8, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Fireside Hearth <<a href="mailto:firesidehearthvashon@hotmail.com" target="_blank">firesidehearthvashon@hotmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Good
morning....<br>
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I am curious about a couple of the pictures of the stove by Otto....do I see
galvanized sheet metal used in area's of high heat? the text talks about 800deg
C. (1472 f.) if there is galvanized materials in contact with these temps it is
quite possible that galvanic poisoning could kill the operator. A friend of
mine was welding inside a galvanized pipe (large culvert for water drainage)
when his oxygen mask failed and a green colored gas entered his lungs causing
him some of the most horrible pain and near death experience imaginable. The
other question I have is the material thickness. It does not look like this
will withstand these temperatures for long. What is the life expectancy of this
unit when exposed to these temps. Does it make sense to build something a bit
more stout and send less of them to the land fill as the "burn out"
too quickly with these exposures. Not all ways can we value things simply on
"cost per unit" but "cost to the environment" should be
taken into account. After looking at the industrial area's of northern China it seems
to me that it is the environment which is paying for our "cheap" flat
screens. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">From: <a href="mailto:janbianchi@comcast.net" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:janbianchi@comcast.net" target="_blank">janbianchi@comcast.net</a><br>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 08:08:37 -0700<br>
To: <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Jatropha and its future</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Jet</span></font><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:black"> City StoveWorks is currently conducting kitchen tests
of the jatropha seed stove Marc refers to in Tanzania.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> Jatropha grows wild
throughout the tropics as well as recently as biodiesel <span class="ecxapple-style-span"> crop there. Alternatively, and more
productively, it can be grown as a hedge around land holdings so it need
not displace land for food production. That produces enough seed to fuel
the family cookstove for a year as well as have some left over to sell into the
Jatropha market. It costs at least four times less than a comparable burn time
for wood and six times less than charcoal.</span></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">We are continuing CO and PM testing and
hope to have our test results online by next month. We had a stove at
Aprovecho's stove camp couple of weeks ago and will have one at Paul Anderson's
TLUD camp in MA in August. </span></font></p>
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On Aug 8, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Marc Pare <<a href="mailto:mpare@gatech.edu" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mpare@gatech.edu" target="_blank">mpare@gatech.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">There was this one at ETHOS this year by
J. Otto and friends:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><a href="http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/proceedings2011/OttoOttoCovert_JatrophaSeedCookingStoveDevelopmentPromotion.pdf" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/proceedings2011/OttoOttoCovert_JatrophaSeedCookingStoveDevelopmentPromotion.pdf" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/proceedings2011/OttoOttoCovert_JatrophaSeedCookingStoveDevelopmentPromotion.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/proceedings2011/OttoOttoCovert_JatrophaSeedCookingStoveDevelopmentPromotion.pdf</a></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">and a quick picture of it running outside
in Kirkland:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><a href="http://smallredtile.tumblr.com/post/3246717546/marc-in-the-wild-there-were-many-arguments-about" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://smallredtile.tumblr.com/post/3246717546/marc-in-the-wild-there-were-many-arguments-about" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://smallredtile.tumblr.com/post/3246717546/marc-in-the-wild-there-were-many-arguments-about" target="_blank">http://smallredtile.tumblr.com/post/3246717546/marc-in-the-wild-there-were-many-arguments-about</a></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:
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TLUD. Draft is augmented by an inner air pipe (lots of pictures of the assembly
in the ETHOS presentation)</span></font></p>
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Marc Paré<br>
B.S. Mechanical Engineering<br>
Georgia Institute of Technology | Université de Technologie de Compiègne<br>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Crispin
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<p class="ecxmsonormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Dear Friends</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxmsonormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black" lang="EN-CA">I am not sure how many
stove are being worked on as Jatropha seed or oil or cake burners, but my
understanding was the main thrust was to put to use some of the leftovers from
biofuel production, especially that was the focus in Tanzania.</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxmsonormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black" lang="EN-CA">It seems those farmers
who invested in Jatropha production lost about $65 per ha <a href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es201943v" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es201943v" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es201943v" target="_blank">http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es201943v</a>
so my question is whether or not there is much point in working on (perhaps)
whole seed stoves. Perhaps if the J-oil industry suffers a quick death there
will still be a meaningful supply of oily seed fuel that can be burned
relatively easily with a decent performance and controllability. At least until
they go back to sunflower which looks a lot more promising.</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxmsonormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Has anyone made a
sunflower seed burning stove? The oil runs up to 49% on some varieties.</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxmsonormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Always looking for new
ideas…</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxmsonormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Regards</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxmsonormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Crispin</span></font></p>
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