<html><head><base href="x-msg://13/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div></div><div><br></div><div>...These folks are all selling their product to the local market to survive...If it was not good they, would not have been able to carry on their business for the past several years. I have hundreds of more examples in about 45 countries now.</div><div> </div><div>It really does work. No new charcoal needed. And ou can pull off the remaining ash covered coal for soil remediation if you like... </div><div><br></div><div>Richard Stanley</div><div><br></div><div>NW Obamaland</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 28, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Paal wendelbo wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" bgcolor="white" vlink="purple"><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB"><font face="Arial">Crispin</font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB"><font face="Arial">Pity for the forest in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tanzania</st1:place></st1:country-region><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>as you did not get my point. And I understand your results of your calculations when you compare leisure energy in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with household energy in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place>.</font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB"><font face="Arial"><span> </span>Regards Paal W</font></span></div></div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="crispinpigott@gmail.com" href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Crispin Pemberton-Pigott</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, August 28, 2011 11:42 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] re The Ccharcoal project</div><div><br></div><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Dear Paal<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Regarding the transport of charcoal, I am sure you have seen 10 tons of charcoal on a 7 ton truck. Nothing unusual about that sight. I am not sure of the relevance of that you your other points about end user opinion and charcoal production.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">What would be helpful is if you would engage the topic of sustainable charcoal production. People want to use it as a fuel because it is nice, simple as that. Lots of people in Canada who can afford any fuel they want choose to cook meat with charcoal. It is a market that is going to last as long as there is cooking, as far as I can see.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">No one wants to waste the heat produced during the production of charcoal. It would be great of people in rural areas could generate power form the gases and use it, and sell the charcoal to people in cities. The maximum economic benefit would be spread over the largest number of people that way. It would also spread sustainable power generation and charcoal production over a large enough area of land to make a sustainable living for the maximum number of people.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">My point is that your position ‘against charcoal’ is too extreme. You can’t be ‘against’ something that has a niche in the energy equation. Some are proposing to send wood into the cities, make char there and ship the char back. Think of the energy inefficiency that entails. There are (not yet anyway) wood powered road vehicles that can operate on the sustainable energy originating on the farms.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Char production can supply high quantities of ‘process heat’ for powering all sorts of things on the farms. Farmers should be allowing nothing to leave their land unless it is as processed as possible in that region. That takes energy. Turning local produce into exportable products (which includes processed fuels) is the opportunity that we should not kill because we don’t like someone’s current wasteful methods.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>