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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><br>
Paul,
I was shocked by the self promoting and derogatory statement you made
the other day. </span></span></font></font><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">It
was neither correct nor in keeping with the purpose and focus of this
list. </span></span></span></font></font></tt>
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</span></span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">It
is largely thanks to Ron and other greats like Tom Miles, Alex
English and Andrew Heggie that this list exists.</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff"><br>
</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><font color="#000000"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">Ron,
it should be noted, was </span></span></span></font><font color="#000000"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>the
first stoves list coordinator and help set the tone and tradition of
shared knowledge which lead to so many advances in this community and
field. He is the first who brought the concept of charcoal producing
stoves to this list and was already making gasifying-biochar
producing stoves Sweden, Zimbabwe, and Ethiopia years before most on
this list (including you) were even aware of the need for improved
cook stoves. </span></span></font>
</font></div>
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</span></span></font></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>As
for the Tom Reed Ron Larson duo, to state, as you did, that "</span></span></font></font><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">Whatever
the name, Reed and Larson missed it and Wendelbo and Anderson </span></span></span></font></font><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">got
it right." would be like saying Otto Lilienthal and the Wright
bothers missed the whole flying thing. </span></span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff"><br>
</span></span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">The fluid dynamic principles
established by Reed and Larson permitted the existence of the
modern-day gasifying stove studies and the technical strengths and
generous sharing of knowledge by Reed and Larson allowed people with
no formal technical background or training such as yourself to enter
this field.</span></span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff"><br>
</span></span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">That
a geography professor can now give himself the “title” of “Dr
TLUD”(apparently implying a degree in something related to stoves)is thanks to the work that was done before by people like
Reed, Larson, Wendelbo, Pemberton-Pigott and others who patiently
taught you and helped you improve your stove design and who applied
thermodynamics and fluid dynamics to the study of improved cookstoves.</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff"><br>
</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">As
I noted yesterday, there are many stoves that have come before
including the TLUD by Giese published in 1959 which had primary and
secondary air control, double walls and concentrator ring. I know of
others that even predate Giese; so to say that “Anderson got it
right” [… ]“in 2005” would be like trying to claim credit for
the invention of the lightbulb in 2011. </span></span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">All
of us on this list (especially those who work on micro gasifiers) and
throughout the stoveing community owe an infinite debt of thanks to
Larson and Reed and all the others who came before us. I am pleased
for the progress your work seems to be be making but you (nor any of
us) must forget the huge debt we ALL owe to those who were doing this
work well before us.</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff"><br>
</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">Respectfully,</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff"><br>
</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><span style="background: #ffffff">Nat
of WorldStove</span></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Message:
6</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Date:
Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:10:19 -0500</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>From:
"Paul S. Anderson" <</span></span></font></font></tt><tt class="western"><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><u><span>psanders@ilstu.edu</span></u></span></font></font></a></tt><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>></span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>To:
Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000">
</font></tt><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><</span></span></font></font></tt><tt class="western"><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><u><span>stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></u></span></font></font></a></tt><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>,
</span></span></font></font></tt><tt class="western"><a href="mailto:ajheggie@gmail.com"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><u><span>ajheggie@gmail.com</span></u></span></font></font></a></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Subject:
Re: [Stoves] Wendlelbo's : Re Large TLUD --- TLUD Stove</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000">
</font></tt><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>history</span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Message-ID:</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
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</font></tt><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span><</span></span></font></font></tt><tt class="western"><a href="mailto:20110829111019.78401kv21mphl6n4@redbirdmail.illinoisstate.edu"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><u><span>20110829111019.78401kv21mphl6n4@redbirdmail.illinoisstate.edu</span></u></span></font></font></a></tt><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>></span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000">
</font></tt><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>format="flowed"</span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Andrew
and all, see below:</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Quoting
</span></span></font></font></tt><tt class="western"><a href="mailto:ajheggie@gmail.com"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><u><span>ajheggie@gmail.com</span></u></span></font></font></a></tt><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>:</span></span></font></font></tt></font></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>
On Sunday 28 August 2011 14:49:48 Paul S. Anderson wrote:</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>>
(It took me four years 2001 to 2005 to get to that point of having ?</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>>
concentrator lids on the TLUDs.</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>></span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>
Even the Reed-Larson stove diagrams from 1995ish showed a
concentrator,</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>
essentially to disrupt flow and increase turbulence but it used the</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>
term "bluff body", this is to induce mixing in the eddies
downstream. In</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>
that case it lead to a circle of flame around the edge of the stove,</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>>
mimicking a flame from a pre mixed gas appliance.</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>The
famous Reed-Larson device __spread__ the gases into an narrow </span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>annulus,
which some might call "concentration while separating".
That </span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>annulus
was its only serious defect because it did not have sufficient </span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>gases
together to sustain a vigorous flame.</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Wendelbo
in the 1990s and Anderson in 2005 brought together the gases </span></span></font></font></tt>
</font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>into
a central hole, which seems a more appropriate use of </span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>"concentration
while bringing together."</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Whatever
the name, Reed and Larson missed it and Wendelbo and Anderson </span></span></font></font></tt>
</font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>got
it right.</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>The
rest of your message (below) gives an excellent description of why </span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>bottom-lit
fires are more smokey and harder to control. If we could </span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>now
get more people to read and understand that message (which is the </span></span></font></font></tt>
</font></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>same
from the "early days" or from "present day writings"),
we will </span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>eventually
get the IDD / TLUD technology into the minds of the the </span></span></font></font></tt>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Stovers
and eventually to the people who use the stoves.</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Paul</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>--
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<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Paul
S. Anderson, PhD</span></span></font></font></tt></div>
<div class="rientro-corpo-del-testo"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><tt class="western"><font color="#000000"><font size="2" style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-style: normal"><span>Known
to some as: Dr. TLUD </span></span></font></font></tt>
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