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Thank you very much Brian for that great report.<br>
<br>
Probably the most significant part of what you wrote is that, "
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I will have to keep my eyes open for work from <i><b>Kasetsaert
University</b></i>.<br>
<br>
Thanks for pointing out that <b>Karl Frogner</b> has also "been
involved in some biochar production/use work in Thailand". I was not
aware of that [...I only know of his work in <b>Mongolia</b>].<br>
<br>
Having 3,500 farmers in a "farmers network" who are "interested"
in your work with Biochar is fantastic!<br>
<br>
This is why here in Ontario/Canada I would like to work with
organizations like the NFU, which is also very active
internationally through, for instance, <i><b>La Via Campesina</b></i>.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://viacampesina.org/main_en/">http://viacampesina.org/main_en/</a> ; <a
href="http://www.nfu.ca/international.html">http://www.nfu.ca/international.html</a>.<br>
The NFU is a non-partisan, nation-wide democratic organization made
up of thousands of farm families from across Canada who produce a
wide variety of commodities, including grains, livestock, fruits and
vegetables.<br>
Their membership is also open to <b>Urban Farmers</b>.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"> Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
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905-707-8754; 647-886-8754 (cell)
Skype: lloyd.helferty
Steering Committee member, Canadian Biochar Initiative
President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
Advisory Committee Member, IBI
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"Necessity may be the mother of invention, but innovators need to address problems before they become absolute necessities..."</pre>
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On 2011-09-19 5:42 AM, Bryan Hugill wrote:
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cite="mid:CAGFoVyLmOLqeQ+XKSc+uG3KfHLcnAu4Fo0W5nRH1pHOUSA+3mg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Dear
Lloyd,<br>
<br>
The most significant type of biochar that's I've seen in
Thailand has been the use of charred rice husk (no shortage of
that feedstock in Thailand!), which has been used as long as
people can remember. The largest user has been the
horticultural sector; however, I have also seen char being
made from various other agricultural waste feedstocks and
there's murmuring of the introduction of biochar cookstoves in
my province (all happening at a relatively small-scale though,
but repeated a HUGE number of times). <br>
<br>
Re. the charcoal side of things, Thailand has a fairly long
history of charcoal production from all manner of feedstocks,
although the most common today are eucalyptus, rubberwood
(sometimes), bamboo (through the Japanese influence), and
another wood type that I am unable to recognise as yet (no
mangroves in my area, so I don't know the extent to which
they're being used). There is also some collection of wood
smoke distillate, but the market is still very small (read:
the fertilizer and pesticides industries are still too
strong). <br>
<br>
Karl Frogner has also been involved in some biochar
production/use work in Thailand (in collaboration with
Kasetsaert University), although I don't know the status of
the project at the moment. And, looking at the agenda for the
Kyoto Biochar Conference, I also see that </font></font><font
size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Kasetsaert University
is involved in more biochar work, although us "little people"
have yet to actually see anything come out.</font></font><br>
<font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
Something that may be of interest to you is that we're in the
process of putting together a farmers network in our province
and I'd like to begin trialling rice husk biochar through it
in a more targeted way (currently, there are 3,500 farmers
interested), so I hope to have some solid data/results coming
up in the next few years :) This will be done in conjunction
with various other soil amendments, growing methods, crop
types, and lab testing of soil mineral content and crop
nutritional content (depending on the health of my bank
account, as this will all be self financed until we can find a
donor/sponsor), so hopefully there'll be some good stuff in
there.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Bryan<br clear="all">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 18 September 2011 18:48, Lloyd
Helferty <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Thanks again, Ron.<br>
I'll be looking for more detail about some of the points you
brought up, namely:<br>
<br>
1) Of the "<b>10 companies</b> getting some mention" from
Stephen Joseph, were any <i>Canadian</i>?<br>
<br>
2) P.S. Interesting note about "<i><b>a lot of activity in
Thailand</b></i>". The first time I heard about Biochar
activities in Thailand was through correspondence with <b>Bryan
Hugill</b>, who is also a member of <i><b>Biochar Ontario</b></i>.<br>
<br>
2a) ... Although, the work in Thailand might also be the
result of <b>collaboration with the Japanese</b>.<br>
I noted that Professor <i><b>Kaneyuki Nakane</b></i> in
the Graduate School of Biosphere Sciences, Hiroshima
University (within the Division of Environmental Dynamics
and Management) was "<b><i>making a lot of ongoing projects
in Thailand</i></b>" with "bamboo charcoal"...<br>
Professor Nakane is the guy who did the fantastic <i><b>Rooftop
Garden</b></i> project(s) with Biochar (in collaboration
with the Banks, which use greenroofs to <b>keep the
buildings that house ATMs cooler</b>, and therefore <i><b>reduce
energy requirements</b></i>).<br>
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See also the section starting about half way down the page
about "<b>The Hilltribe People of Thailand</b> and Burma..."<br>
<br>
2b) I believe that the people of Thailand could probably
teach us a thing or two about Biochar by now also...<br>
I read once that the King of Thailand had ordered rescue
workers to "spray the bodies with (powdered) Biochar" after
Thailand experienced a <i><b>tsunami</b></i> -- "because
the Biochar will 'deodorize' the decaying bodies in minutes"
-- and also because the Biochar "invites Beneficial
microorganisms as decomposters" (once the bodies are
buried).<br>
<br>
3) I would love to see that <i><b>report from Taiwan</b></i>.
(As you know, I have 'close ties' to Taiwan... and had not
really heard much of anything from that island nation about
any Biochar research ~ although I read once that <i>Dynamotive</i>
was at one point supposedly $B!H(Bdeveloping two plants in
Taiwan", in cooperation with a company called <i>Marketech
International Corporation</i>.)<br>
<br>
4) I find it very interesting that there are no reports
coming out of China, considering that <b>Rob Flanagan</b>
had helped a Chinese company create one of the very first "<i><b>NPK-C
Biochar Fertilizers</b></i>"...<br>
<br>
5) Very interesting that "a Governmental <b>forester</b>"
reported from Mongolia. (I didn't think that there were
enough trees in Mongolia for the government to actually hire
a "forester"... perhaps his job title should be "reforester"
or "afforester". ;-)<br>
-- just kidding<br>
<br>
6) What is "the <i><b>Cool-Vege </b></i>concept" from
Japan?<br>
<br>
<pre cols="72"> Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
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Skype: lloyd.helferty
Steering Committee member, Canadian Biochar Initiative
President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
Advisory Committee Member, IBI
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On 2011-09-17 7:14 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>Biochar and stoves lists:</p>
<p> This to provide a short recap of the third
day of the Asian Pacific Biochar Conference
(APBC2011).</p>
<p> </p>
<p> The day was again partly (mostly) in English
and partly in Japanese (with translations and
headsets). Very good translators. Most of the
Asian countries gave a talk. The starter was
Stephen Joseph for Australia. His was unusual
in that it concentrated on corporate activity –
at least 10 companies getting some mention.
There were many research papers earlier and few
earlier on the privates sector (exception being
Adriana Downie and PacPyro mentioned
yesterday). I asked Stephen about organized
opposition to Biochar and he said none/little.
He responded partly in terms of early strong
support from former PM Malcolm Turnbull – and
new government has not changed that.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> I won't go through each (my notes are not so
good), but I remember being surprised at a lot
of activity in Thailand, and good work in the
Philippines. ( I was surprised that there was
no report from Vietnam (where I will be for next
three weeks), as Australian Peter Slavich
(working full time in Aid project in Vietnam) in
earlier private conversation said there was a
long history of using spent charred rice husks –
and he knew of work of Paul Olivier (who I will
be visiting). </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Good report sfrom Taiwan and New Zealand;
none from China. Report from Mongolia by a
Governmental forester, not from Karl Frogner and
his UBI group (Karl had a paper).</p>
<p> </p>
<p> The last two country talks were for Japan.
First was entirely on the Cool-Vege concept.</p>
<p> Later Prof Ogawa gave excellent Plenary talk
- entirely on the extensive Biochar history in
Japan.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> Prof. Johannes gave his usual great talk.
Said he was delighted with progress and
optimistic. That Biochar unknowns are like for
any other ag area.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> I have run out of time. More later.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Ron<br>
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<p>Biochar and stoves lists:</p>
<p> This to provide a short recap of the first
two days of the Asian Pacific Biochar
Conference (APBC2011)</p>
<p> Maybe 100 persons here – maybe 75 to 80
percent Japanese.. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Regular contributors to these two lists who
are here include Tom Miles (and wife and
son), John Miedema, and Karl Frogner.
Apologies to other list members I don't
recognize. At least 10 other people I judge
from Australia (Stephen Joseph, Lukas van
Zwieten, Adraian Downie, and Annett Cowie
being some I knew previously). The final
Plenary speaker of first day was Evelyn Krull
who gave a wonderful description of the great
Biochar work going on in Australia (all or
mostly CSIRO??). They are working with 104
different chars – and identifying what makes
each unique (temperature, species, etc) </p>
<p> </p>
<p> I know two here from Europe – maybe a few
more. Others from US (not or rarely writing
to these lists are IBI's Debbie Reed and
Johannes Lehmann). The names of presenters
are available at the APBC site. Two
stoves/Biochar list contributors who are in
program but couldn't make it are Kelpie Wilson
and Jason Aramburo (and who are missed).</p>
<p> </p>
<p> The first day, Thursday, was in both
Japanese and English – with everyone having
earphones for the alternating translation
need. The outstanding talk for me was by
IBI's Debbie Reed – giving an exciting summary
of the growth of IBI. About 11,000 hits on
the website per month now - and 50% are new
first time users each month. Still plenty of
growth in Biochar technical literature, etc.
Debbie gave more background and status on the
forthcoming IBI draft standards. Last night,
I attended part of an ad hoc meeting on the
standards – which should be available within
weeks at the IBI site (for four weeks comment
period). Obviously a lot of work has gone
into these standards – but a lot more still to
be done.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> Yesterday was all in 20 minute
presentations in three parallel tracks. The
majority of the papers seemed to be
soil-production related. Unfortunately (my
giving a talk) I missed several coming from
Lukas van Zwieten's NSW group on success with
N20 capture, but he says that is showing
continued importance. Quite a few talks that
relate to the Science article by Dr. Wardle;
no firm answers yet – but conversely I heard
nothing that supports the Wardle contention
that Biochar causes excess CO2 release.
Adriana Downie gave several talks on her
progress towards a new $B!H(BPacPyro$B!I(B firm that has
just received a major multi-million grant and
is going public. I enjoyed a talk on LCA
given by CSIRO's Annette Cowie.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> Today I expect to learn a lot more about
Japanese Biochar work as we get back to a
single Plenary format and translation. Much
evidence of Japan having done Biochar work for
a long time – with a government-sanctioned
program since the 1980's. Also Johannes is
scheduled for 40 minutes. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Many new people to meet. Have enjoyed
especially two potential funders from the ADB
and FAO and researchers from the Philippines,
Korea, and Uganda. And of course many from
Japan. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> The city of Kyoto is exceptionally modern
and well maintained – a major tourist town.
Prices seem close to double those I am used
to. A cash economy – with my having major
difficulties with no (presently valid) ATM
card! Thanks to three listed above who could
take my check in exchange for Yen! </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Questions?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Ron<br>
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