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    Thank you very much Brian for that great report.<br>
    <br>
      Probably the most significant part of what you wrote is that, "
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    <span style="font-weight: bold;">charred rice husk... </span>
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    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">has been used as
      long as people can
      remember</span>."<br>
      I will have to keep my eyes open for work from <i><b>Kasetsaert
        University</b></i>.<br>
    <br>
      Thanks for pointing out that <b>Karl Frogner</b> has also "been
    involved in some biochar production/use work in Thailand". I was not
    aware of that [...I only know of his work in <b>Mongolia</b>].<br>
    <br>
      Having 3,500 farmers in a "farmers network" who are "interested"
    in your work with Biochar is fantastic!<br>
    <br>
      This is why here in Ontario/Canada I would like to work with
    organizations like the NFU, which is also very active
    internationally through, for instance, <i><b>La Via Campesina</b></i>.
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://viacampesina.org/main_en/">http://viacampesina.org/main_en/</a> ; <a
      href="http://www.nfu.ca/international.html">http://www.nfu.ca/international.html</a>.<br>
     The NFU is a non-partisan, nation-wide democratic organization made
    up of thousands of farm families from across Canada who produce a
    wide variety of commodities, including grains, livestock, fruits and
    vegetables.<br>
     Their membership is also open to <b>Urban Farmers</b>.<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">  Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
  Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
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  603-48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill, ON, Canada
  905-707-8754; 647-886-8754 (cell)
     Skype: lloyd.helferty
  Steering Committee member, Canadian Biochar Initiative
  President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
    Advisory Committee Member, IBI
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"Necessity may be the mother of invention, but innovators need to address problems before they become absolute necessities..."</pre>
    <br>
    On 2011-09-19 5:42 AM, Bryan Hugill wrote:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAGFoVyLmOLqeQ+XKSc+uG3KfHLcnAu4Fo0W5nRH1pHOUSA+3mg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Dear
          Lloyd,<br>
          <br>
          The most significant type of biochar that's I've seen in
          Thailand has been the use of charred rice husk (no shortage of
          that feedstock in Thailand!), which has been used as long as
          people can remember. The largest user has been the
          horticultural sector; however, I have also seen char being
          made from various other agricultural waste feedstocks and
          there's murmuring of the introduction of biochar cookstoves in
          my province (all happening at a relatively small-scale though,
          but repeated a HUGE number of times). <br>
          <br>
          Re. the charcoal side of things, Thailand has a fairly long
          history of charcoal production from all manner of feedstocks,
          although the most common today are eucalyptus, rubberwood
          (sometimes), bamboo (through the Japanese influence), and
          another wood type that I am unable to recognise as yet (no
          mangroves in my area, so I don't know the extent to which
          they're being used). There is also some collection of wood
          smoke distillate, but the market is still very small (read:
          the fertilizer and pesticides industries are still too
          strong). <br>
          <br>
          Karl Frogner has also been involved in some biochar
          production/use work in Thailand (in collaboration with
          Kasetsaert University), although I don't know the status of
          the project at the moment. And, looking at the agenda for the
          Kyoto Biochar Conference, I also see that </font></font><font
        size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Kasetsaert University
          is involved in more biochar work, although us "little people"
          have yet to actually see anything come out.</font></font><br>
      <font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
          Something that may be of interest to you is that we're in the
          process of putting together a farmers network in our province
          and I'd like to begin trialling rice husk biochar through it
          in a more targeted way (currently, there are 3,500 farmers
          interested), so I hope to have some solid data/results coming
          up in the next few years :) This will be done in conjunction
          with various other soil amendments, growing methods, crop
          types, and lab testing of soil mineral content and crop
          nutritional content (depending on the health of my bank
          account, as this will all be self financed until we can find a
          donor/sponsor), so hopefully there'll be some good stuff in
          there.<br>
          <br>
          Cheers,<br>
          Bryan<br clear="all">
        </font></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif">_________________<br>
        Bryan Hugill<br>
        Co-founder and Environmental Manager<br>
        RAITONG ORGANICS FARM<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On 18 September 2011 18:48, Lloyd
        Helferty <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:lhelferty@sympatico.ca">lhelferty@sympatico.ca</a>></span>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Thanks again, Ron.<br>
            I'll be looking for more detail about some of the points you
            brought up, namely:<br>
            <br>
            1) Of the "<b>10 companies</b> getting some mention" from
            Stephen Joseph, were any <i>Canadian</i>?<br>
            <br>
            2) P.S. Interesting note about "<i><b>a lot of activity in
                Thailand</b></i>".  The first time I heard about Biochar
            activities in Thailand was through correspondence with <b>Bryan
              Hugill</b>, who is also a member of <i><b>Biochar Ontario</b></i>.<br>
            <br>
            2a) ... Although, the work in Thailand might also be the
            result of <b>collaboration with the Japanese</b>.<br>
             I noted that Professor <i><b>Kaneyuki Nakane</b></i> in
            the Graduate School of Biosphere Sciences, Hiroshima
            University (within the Division of Environmental Dynamics
            and Management) was "<b><i>making a lot of ongoing projects
                in Thailand</i></b>" with "bamboo charcoal"...<br>
             Professor Nakane is the guy who did the fantastic <i><b>Rooftop

                Garden</b></i> project(s) with Biochar (in collaboration
            with the Banks, which use greenroofs to <b>keep the
              buildings that house ATMs cooler</b>, and therefore <i><b>reduce
                energy requirements</b></i>).<br>
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            See also the section starting about half way down the page
            about "<b>The Hilltribe People of Thailand</b> and Burma..."<br>
            <br>
            2b)  I believe that the people of Thailand could probably
            teach us a thing or two about Biochar by now also...<br>
            I read once that the King of Thailand had ordered rescue
            workers to "spray the bodies with (powdered) Biochar" after
            Thailand experienced a <i><b>tsunami</b></i> -- "because
            the Biochar will 'deodorize' the decaying bodies in minutes"
            -- and also because the Biochar "invites Beneficial
            microorganisms as decomposters" (once the bodies are
            buried).<br>
            <br>
            3) I would love to see that <i><b>report from Taiwan</b></i>.
            (As you know, I have 'close ties' to Taiwan... and had not
            really heard much of anything from that island nation about
            any Biochar research ~ although I read once that <i>Dynamotive</i>
            was at one point supposedly $B!H(Bdeveloping two plants in
            Taiwan", in cooperation with a company called <i>Marketech
              International Corporation</i>.)<br>
            <br>
            4) I find it very interesting that there are no reports
            coming out of China, considering that <b>Rob Flanagan</b>
            had helped a Chinese company create one of the very first "<i><b>NPK-C
                Biochar Fertilizers</b></i>"...<br>
            <br>
            5) Very interesting that "a Governmental <b>forester</b>"
            reported from Mongolia. (I didn't think that there were
            enough trees in Mongolia for the government to actually hire
            a "forester"... perhaps his job title should be "reforester"
            or "afforester".  ;-)<br>
             -- just kidding<br>
            <br>
            6) What is "the <i><b>Cool-Vege </b></i>concept" from
            Japan?<br>
            <br>
            <pre cols="72">  Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
  Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
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  603-48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill, ON, Canada
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     Skype: lloyd.helferty
  Steering Committee member, Canadian Biochar Initiative
  President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
    Advisory Committee Member, IBI
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"Necessity may be the mother of invention, but innovators need to address problems before they become absolute necessities..."</pre>
            <br>
            On 2011-09-17 7:14 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>
            wrote:
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                      <p>Biochar and stoves lists:</p>
                      <p>  This to provide a short recap of the third
                        day of the Asian Pacific Biochar Conference
                        (APBC2011).</p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p>  The day was again partly (mostly) in English
                        and partly in Japanese (with translations and
                        headsets).  Very good translators. Most of the
                        Asian countries gave a talk.  The starter was
                        Stephen Joseph for Australia.  His was unusual
                        in that it concentrated on corporate activity –
                        at least 10 companies getting some mention. 
                        There were many research papers earlier and few
                        earlier on the privates sector (exception being
                        Adriana Downie and PacPyro mentioned
                        yesterday).  I asked Stephen about organized
                        opposition to Biochar and he said none/little. 
                        He responded partly in terms of early strong
                        support from former PM Malcolm Turnbull – and
                        new government has not changed that.</p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p>   I won't go through each (my notes are not so
                        good), but I remember being surprised at a lot
                        of activity in Thailand, and good work in the
                        Philippines.  ( I was surprised that there was
                        no report from Vietnam (where I will be for next
                        three weeks), as Australian Peter Slavich
                        (working full time in Aid project in Vietnam) in
                        earlier private conversation said there was a
                        long history of using spent charred rice husks –
                        and he knew of work of Paul Olivier (who I will
                        be visiting).  </p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p>   Good report sfrom Taiwan and New Zealand; 
                        none from China.  Report from Mongolia by a
                        Governmental forester, not from Karl Frogner and
                        his UBI group  (Karl had a paper).</p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p>   The last two country talks were for Japan. 
                        First was entirely on the Cool-Vege concept.</p>
                      <p>  Later Prof Ogawa gave excellent Plenary talk
                        - entirely on the extensive Biochar history in
                        Japan.</p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p>  Prof.  Johannes gave his usual great talk. 
                        Said he was delighted with progress and
                        optimistic.  That Biochar unknowns are like for
                        any other ag area.</p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p>  I have run out of time.  More later.</p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p>Ron<br>
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                      <p> </p>
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                        <p>Biochar and stoves lists:</p>
                        <p>  This to provide a short recap of the first
                          two days of the Asian Pacific Biochar
                          Conference (APBC2011)</p>
                        <p>  Maybe 100 persons here – maybe 75 to 80
                          percent Japanese..   </p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>  Regular contributors to these two lists who
                          are here include Tom Miles (and wife and
                          son),  John Miedema,  and Karl Frogner. 
                          Apologies to other list members I don't
                          recognize.  At least 10 other people I judge
                          from Australia (Stephen Joseph, Lukas van
                          Zwieten, Adraian Downie, and Annett Cowie
                          being some I knew previously).   The final
                          Plenary speaker of first day was Evelyn Krull 
                          who gave a wonderful description of the great
                          Biochar work going on in Australia (all or
                          mostly CSIRO??).   They are working with 104
                          different chars – and identifying what makes
                          each unique  (temperature, species, etc) </p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>    I know two here from Europe – maybe a few
                          more.   Others from US (not or rarely writing
                          to these lists are IBI's Debbie Reed and
                          Johannes Lehmann).  The names of presenters
                          are available at the APBC site.  Two
                          stoves/Biochar list contributors who are in
                          program but couldn't make it are Kelpie Wilson
                          and Jason Aramburo  (and who are missed).</p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>   The first day,  Thursday, was in both
                          Japanese and English – with everyone having
                          earphones for the alternating translation
                          need.  The outstanding talk for me was by
                          IBI's Debbie Reed – giving an exciting summary
                          of the growth of IBI.  About 11,000 hits on
                          the website per month now - and 50% are new
                          first time users each month.  Still plenty of
                          growth in Biochar technical literature, etc. 
                          Debbie gave more background and status on the
                          forthcoming IBI draft standards.  Last night,
                          I attended part of an ad hoc meeting on the
                          standards – which should be available within
                          weeks at the IBI site (for four weeks comment
                          period).    Obviously a lot of work has gone
                          into these standards – but a lot more still to
                          be done.</p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>   Yesterday was all in 20 minute
                          presentations in three parallel tracks.  The
                          majority of the papers seemed to be
                          soil-production related.  Unfortunately (my
                          giving a talk) I missed several coming from
                          Lukas van Zwieten's NSW group on success with
                          N20 capture, but he says that is showing
                          continued importance.  Quite a few talks that
                          relate to the Science article by Dr. Wardle; 
                          no firm answers yet – but conversely I heard
                          nothing that supports the Wardle contention
                          that Biochar causes excess CO2 release.  
                          Adriana Downie gave several talks on her
                          progress towards a new $B!H(BPacPyro$B!I(B firm that has
                          just received a major multi-million grant and
                          is going public.  I enjoyed a talk on LCA
                          given by CSIRO's Annette Cowie.</p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>   Today I expect to learn a lot more about
                          Japanese Biochar work as we get back to a
                          single Plenary format and translation. Much
                          evidence of Japan having done Biochar work for
                          a long time – with a government-sanctioned
                          program since the 1980's.   Also Johannes is
                          scheduled for 40 minutes.  </p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>   Many new people to meet.  Have enjoyed
                          especially two potential funders from the ADB
                          and FAO and researchers from the Philippines,
                          Korea, and Uganda.  And of course many from
                          Japan.  </p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>    The city of Kyoto is exceptionally modern
                          and well maintained – a major tourist town. 
                          Prices seem close to double those I am used
                          to.  A cash economy – with my having major
                          difficulties with no (presently valid) ATM
                          card!  Thanks to three listed above who could
                          take my check in exchange for Yen!    </p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>    Questions?</p>
                        <p> </p>
                        <p>Ron<br>
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