<font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Dear Lloyd,<br><br>The most significant type of biochar that's I've seen in Thailand has been the use of charred rice husk (no shortage of that feedstock in Thailand!), which has been used as long as people can remember. The largest user has been the horticultural sector; however, I have also seen char being made from various other agricultural waste feedstocks and there's murmuring of the introduction of biochar cookstoves in my province (all happening at a relatively small-scale though, but repeated a HUGE number of times). <br>
<br>Re. the charcoal side of things, Thailand has a fairly long history of charcoal production from all manner of feedstocks, although the most common today are eucalyptus, rubberwood (sometimes), bamboo (through the Japanese influence), and another wood type that I am unable to recognise as yet (no mangroves in my area, so I don't know the extent to which they're being used). There is also some collection of wood smoke distillate, but the market is still very small (read: the fertilizer and pesticides industries are still too strong). <br>
<br>Karl Frogner has also been involved in some biochar production/use work in Thailand (in collaboration with Kasetsaert University), although I don't know the status of the project at the moment. And, looking at the agenda for the Kyoto Biochar Conference, I also see that </font></font><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Kasetsaert University is involved in more biochar work, although us "little people" have yet to actually see anything come out.</font></font><br>
<font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>Something that may be of interest to you is that we're in the process of putting together a farmers network in our province and I'd like to begin trialling rice husk biochar through it in a more targeted way (currently, there are 3,500 farmers interested), so I hope to have some solid data/results coming up in the next few years :) This will be done in conjunction with various other soil amendments, growing methods, crop types, and lab testing of soil mineral content and crop nutritional content (depending on the health of my bank account, as this will all be self financed until we can find a donor/sponsor), so hopefully there'll be some good stuff in there.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 September 2011 18:48, Lloyd Helferty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lhelferty@sympatico.ca">lhelferty@sympatico.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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Thanks again, Ron.<br>
I'll be looking for more detail about some of the points you brought
up, namely:<br>
<br>
1) Of the "<b>10 companies</b> getting some mention" from Stephen
Joseph, were any <i>Canadian</i>?<br>
<br>
2) P.S. Interesting note about "<i><b>a lot of activity in Thailand</b></i>".
The first time I heard about Biochar activities in Thailand was
through correspondence with <b>Bryan Hugill</b>, who is also a
member of <i><b>Biochar Ontario</b></i>.<br>
<br>
2a) ... Although, the work in Thailand might also be the result of <b>collaboration
with the Japanese</b>.<br>
I noted that Professor <i><b>Kaneyuki Nakane</b></i> in the
Graduate School of Biosphere Sciences, Hiroshima University (within
the Division of Environmental Dynamics and Management) was "<b><i>making
a lot of ongoing projects in Thailand</i></b>" with "bamboo
charcoal"...<br>
Professor Nakane is the guy who did the fantastic <i><b>Rooftop
Garden</b></i> project(s) with Biochar (in collaboration with
the Banks, which use greenroofs to <b>keep the buildings that house
ATMs cooler</b>, and therefore <i><b>reduce energy requirements</b></i>).<br>
<a href="http://www.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/top/research_HU/researchnow/no12/" target="_blank">http://www.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/top/research_HU/researchnow/no12/</a><span onmouseout="cancel = false; window.setTimeout(WRCHideContent, 1000); clearTimeout(showTimer);" onmouseover=" var self = this; showTimer = window.setTimeout(function(){WRCShowContent({'rating':{'value':-1,'weight':-1},'flags':{},'single':false,'ttl':3600,'expireTime':'20110919091104'}, self.className)},600);" class="wrc0" style="padding-right: 16px; width: 16px; height: 16px;"></span><br>
See also the section starting about half way down the page about "<b>The
Hilltribe People of Thailand</b> and Burma..."<br>
<br>
2b) I believe that the people of Thailand could probably teach us a
thing or two about Biochar by now also...<br>
I read once that the King of Thailand had ordered rescue workers to
"spray the bodies with (powdered) Biochar" after Thailand
experienced a <i><b>tsunami</b></i> -- "because the Biochar will
'deodorize' the decaying bodies in minutes" -- and also because the
Biochar "invites Beneficial microorganisms as decomposters" (once
the bodies are buried).<br>
<br>
3) I would love to see that <i><b>report from Taiwan</b></i>. (As
you know, I have 'close ties' to Taiwan... and had not really heard
much of anything from that island nation about any Biochar research
~ although I read once that <i>Dynamotive</i> was at one point
supposedly “developing two plants in Taiwan", in cooperation with a
company called <i>Marketech International Corporation</i>.)<br>
<br>
4) I find it very interesting that there are no reports coming out
of China, considering that <b>Rob Flanagan</b> had helped a Chinese
company create one of the very first "<i><b>NPK-C Biochar
Fertilizers</b></i>"...<br>
<br>
5) Very interesting that "a Governmental <b>forester</b>" reported
from Mongolia. (I didn't think that there were enough trees in
Mongolia for the government to actually hire a "forester"... perhaps
his job title should be "reforester" or "afforester". ;-)<br>
-- just kidding<br>
<br>
6) What is "the <i><b>Cool-Vege </b></i>concept" from Japan?<br>
<br>
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On 2011-09-17 7:14 PM, <a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a> wrote:
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<p>Biochar and stoves lists:</p>
<p> This to provide a short recap of the third day of the
Asian Pacific Biochar Conference (APBC2011).</p>
<p> </p>
<p> The day was again partly (mostly) in English and
partly in Japanese (with translations and headsets).
Very good translators. Most of the Asian countries gave
a talk. The starter was Stephen Joseph for Australia.
His was unusual in that it concentrated on corporate
activity – at least 10 companies getting some mention.
There were many research papers earlier and few earlier
on the privates sector (exception being Adriana Downie
and PacPyro mentioned yesterday). I asked Stephen about
organized opposition to Biochar and he said
none/little. He responded partly in terms of early
strong support from former PM Malcolm Turnbull – and new
government has not changed that.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> I won't go through each (my notes are not so good),
but I remember being surprised at a lot of activity in
Thailand, and good work in the Philippines. ( I was
surprised that there was no report from Vietnam (where I
will be for next three weeks), as Australian Peter
Slavich (working full time in Aid project in Vietnam) in
earlier private conversation said there was a long
history of using spent charred rice husks – and he knew
of work of Paul Olivier (who I will be visiting). </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Good report sfrom Taiwan and New Zealand; none from
China. Report from Mongolia by a Governmental forester,
not from Karl Frogner and his UBI group (Karl had a
paper).</p>
<p> </p>
<p> The last two country talks were for Japan. First
was entirely on the Cool-Vege concept.</p>
<p> Later Prof Ogawa gave excellent Plenary talk -
entirely on the extensive Biochar history in Japan.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> Prof. Johannes gave his usual great talk. Said he
was delighted with progress and optimistic. That
Biochar unknowns are like for any other ag area.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> I have run out of time. More later.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Ron<br>
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<p>Biochar and stoves lists:</p>
<p> This to provide a short recap of the first two days
of the Asian Pacific Biochar Conference (APBC2011)</p>
<p> Maybe 100 persons here – maybe 75 to 80 percent
Japanese.. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Regular contributors to these two lists who are
here include Tom Miles (and wife and son), John
Miedema, and Karl Frogner. Apologies to other list
members I don't recognize. At least 10 other people I
judge from Australia (Stephen Joseph, Lukas van
Zwieten, Adraian Downie, and Annett Cowie being some I
knew previously). The final Plenary speaker of first
day was Evelyn Krull who gave a wonderful description
of the great Biochar work going on in Australia (all
or mostly CSIRO??). They are working with 104
different chars – and identifying what makes each
unique (temperature, species, etc) </p>
<p> </p>
<p> I know two here from Europe – maybe a few more.
Others from US (not or rarely writing to these lists
are IBI's Debbie Reed and Johannes Lehmann). The
names of presenters are available at the APBC site.
Two stoves/Biochar list contributors who are in
program but couldn't make it are Kelpie Wilson and
Jason Aramburo (and who are missed).</p>
<p> </p>
<p> The first day, Thursday, was in both Japanese and
English – with everyone having earphones for the
alternating translation need. The outstanding talk
for me was by IBI's Debbie Reed – giving an exciting
summary of the growth of IBI. About 11,000 hits on
the website per month now - and 50% are new first time
users each month. Still plenty of growth in Biochar
technical literature, etc. Debbie gave more
background and status on the forthcoming IBI draft
standards. Last night, I attended part of an ad hoc
meeting on the standards – which should be available
within weeks at the IBI site (for four weeks comment
period). Obviously a lot of work has gone into
these standards – but a lot more still to be done.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> Yesterday was all in 20 minute presentations in
three parallel tracks. The majority of the papers
seemed to be soil-production related. Unfortunately
(my giving a talk) I missed several coming from Lukas
van Zwieten's NSW group on success with N20 capture,
but he says that is showing continued importance.
Quite a few talks that relate to the Science article
by Dr. Wardle; no firm answers yet – but conversely I
heard nothing that supports the Wardle contention that
Biochar causes excess CO2 release. Adriana Downie
gave several talks on her progress towards a new
“PacPyro” firm that has just received a major
multi-million grant and is going public. I enjoyed a
talk on LCA given by CSIRO's Annette Cowie.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> Today I expect to learn a lot more about Japanese
Biochar work as we get back to a single Plenary format
and translation. Much evidence of Japan having done
Biochar work for a long time – with a
government-sanctioned program since the 1980's. Also
Johannes is scheduled for 40 minutes. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Many new people to meet. Have enjoyed especially
two potential funders from the ADB and FAO and
researchers from the Philippines, Korea, and Uganda.
And of course many from Japan. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> The city of Kyoto is exceptionally modern and
well maintained – a major tourist town. Prices seem
close to double those I am used to. A cash economy –
with my having major difficulties with no (presently
valid) ATM card! Thanks to three listed above who
could take my check in exchange for Yen! </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Questions?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Ron<br>
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