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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That is precisely the reason I am thinking about
combining these two concepts; biomass/char and mass absorption and transmission.
I want to produce char as a co-product of the heating cycle, cooking will also
be a secondary consideration.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My desire is to find a design that will benefit
and further enhance each of these concepts. I am not particularly
enamored with the idea of continuous "fire" tending, I do like the notion
of building one or two very hot, short duration fires and then walking away to
have the mass regulate the heating needs of the space.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As I said above creating biochar in this
process is equally important to my purposes. I really hate the idea and throwing
off the "waste" heat from the char production, as I also do not like the
idea of burning up the char in a continuously fed heating appliance. It seems to
me that it may be possible to doubly enhance the efficiencies of each of the
these two processes by combining them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Does this seem desirable to any others
here?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Chas, pronounced Chaz</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If this is going to become a busy discussion I will
need to set up a different email acct for it, this is my studio email and it
gets enough activity on it's own. Is this a discussion that should be moved to a
list server?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rongretlarson@comcast.net
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> ; <A title=english@kingston.net
href="mailto:english@kingston.net">Alex English</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=chinckley@efwinslow.com
href="mailto:chinckley@efwinslow.com">chinckley@efwinslow.com</A> ; <A
title=jotemahern@gmail.com href="mailto:jotemahern@gmail.com">Jote Mahern</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] High mass space
heating options Re: Rocket Stove for the PLACE</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Alex: I
believe the most appropriate answer to your final question below (<EM>"What do
you see as the advantages of combining these two approaches?"</EM>) is one you
gave yourself: ("...<SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">a desire for
char</SPAN> ...").<BR><BR> The beauty of high mass heaters is that
they mesh well with a batch process - the main (only?) drawback of char-making
stoves.<BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR><BR>
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<B>From: </B>"Alex English" <<A
href="mailto:english@kingston.net">english@kingston.net</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <<A
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>><BR><B>Cc:
</B><A href="mailto:chinckley@efwinslow.com">chinckley@efwinslow.com</A>,
"Jote Mahern" <<A
href="mailto:jotemahern@gmail.com">jotemahern@gmail.com</A>><BR><B>Sent:
</B>Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:49:16 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Stoves] High
mass space heating options Re: Rocket Stove for the PLACE<BR><BR>Paul,<BR>The
TLUD configuration has it's advantages and disadvantages, like any <BR>system.
One advantage is it's steady state energy release. High mass <BR>heaters
strive for a similar result. It seems a bit redundant to pair <BR>the two.
Perhaps it depends on other considerations like a desire for <BR>char or an
available particulate fuel supply.<BR><BR>There are some folks doing fine work
at the Masonry Heater Association.<BR>http://mha-net.org/<BR>They have done a
lot on emissions, efficiency and durability.<BR>They have looked into Down
feed rocket configurations.<BR>I'm not sure if they have quantified losses
between firings, or seasonal <BR>efficiency.<BR><BR>Its a simple concept with
lots of technical details.<BR><BR>What do you see as the advantages of
combining these two approaches?<BR><BR>Alex<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 10/7/2011 10:02
AM, Paul S. Anderson wrote:<BR>> Dear Jote and all,<BR>><BR>> Your
problem (opportunity) is about space heating. And you seem to want<BR>>
biomass rather than fossil or other heat sources. So you should
consider<BR>> all heat-transfer options with biomass, not just latch onto
Rocket or<BR>> some other technology that makes heat.<BR>><BR>> For
the climate of the Los Angeles area, why not consider a high-mass<BR>>
stove? It gets hot and then radiates heat for a long time.<BR>><BR>> A
new friend of mine in Massachusetts, Chas (prononced as in Jazz)<BR>>
Hinckley has a design for a high mass heater and we are discussing a<BR>>
moderately large TLUD combustor to provide the heat.<BR>><BR>> We are
looking for other people who might be specifically interested in<BR>> this
high mass heating option with a TLUD heat source.<BR>><BR>> If anyone is
interested, please get in touch with me and Chas to have<BR>> some off-list
discussions. (Chas is not subscribed to the Stoves Listserv.)<BR>><BR>>
Yes, you can put a Rocket burner into a high mass device, but I do not<BR>>
deal with that.<BR>><BR>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD<BR>> Known to some
as: Dr. TLUD Doc Professor<BR>> Phone (USA): 309-452-7072 SKYPE: paultlud
Email: psanders@ilstu.edu<BR>>
www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf (Best
ref.)<BR>><BR>><BR>> Quoting Jote Mahern
<jotemahern@gmail.com>:<BR>><BR>>> Hello
All,<BR>>><BR>>> My name is Jote and I am looking for some
guidance on the subject of<BR>>> building a rocket stove to heat an
industrial space near 64th and San<BR>>> Pablo.<BR>>> This space
is home to the PLACE for sustainable living (People Linking<BR>>>
Art<BR>>> Community and Ecology). We are a nonprofit working as a
community<BR>>> resiliency laboratory and business incubator. We opened
in May. It is<BR>>> starting to get pretty cool inside. Any help/advice
is appreciated. I am<BR>>> heading up the project and have experience
with cob and am excited to<BR>>> put it<BR>>> to good
use.<BR>>><BR>>> I am hoping to locate plans and someone who is
willing to go over them<BR>>> with<BR>>> me.<BR>>> If anyone
is interested in joining the work party for the build out<BR>>> that
is<BR>>> definitely welcome as well.<BR>>><BR>>> Hope to
hear from you soon!<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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