<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Crispin, see below:<br><div><div>Am 12.10.2011 um 15:19 schrieb Crispin Pemberton-Pigott:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There are other initiatives to make stoves based on the approach Alexis has taken. Paul has other models that show some promise as well.</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote>CR: Which Paul do you mean? I was talking of Paul Olivier below, who has taken Belonios concept to a new era.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The Mayon Turbo Stove is not perfected yet and I don’t think much is being invested in trying. It holds promise from the point that it does not require a fan. I worked on one here (in Waterloo) earlier this year together with two interns from REAP. We doubled the overall efficiency but created new problems that it got too hot. It needs additional work to keep the fuel cool. There are of course other ways to burn the fuel with natural draft. Maybe with the advent of cheap power from TEGs we will all make fan stoves and not worry about natural draft any more.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The MTS has the important advantage that is can be refuelled continuously at your convenience. It does not need to be loaded in batches.</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote>CR: But the disadvantage I noted is that it needs a lot of attention: we had to tap the stove every two minutes last year in Belchertown with the colleagues from REAP to assist gravity and make the rice husks fall down, otherwise there was no continuous feed adn the fire would go out. Maybe that 'spoonfeeding' can be reduced with skills and acquired habits, but as an unskilled user I found it rather inconvenient.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0mm; padding-bottom: 0mm; padding-left: 0mm; "><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">+++++++</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The best rice-husk burning stoves I know of are the ones based on the tremendous work of Alexis Belonio. Paul Olivier' s work in Vietnam has taken rice-husk burning stoves in the household-size range to another level, uncomparable with natural-draft stoves like the Mayon Turbo, LoTrau or whichever. Paul has generously shared a lot of his work on this list in the last days, so you can look more details up from the links provided there or consult the section on rice-husk burning gasifiers, pages 43-48 of the manual microgasification <span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; "><a href="http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf</a>, </span></span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; ">it contains all I found as per last year. If anybody knows of models that are not included there, please let me know, so that they can be included in the next update. </span></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; ">regards</span></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; ">christa</span></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>