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Precisely that is why I propose using the huge boiler in the
greenhouse to produce biochar and the waste heat is "captured" and
utilized for raising worms and growing food. I would like input
from experts who want to advise and partner with this project.
Nightime fire tending is covered and when hot and air is shut down
the char forms and the water continues to circulate in the floor
until light of day, char is cooled and removed and cycle resumes
with reignighting the fire box mid afternoon. The char chunks
produced in this huge wood biomass burner is amazing and I have
noticed positive results in both the worm beds and gardens where it
is applied. Gerrie<br>
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On 10/10/2011 10:39 AM, Chas Hinckley wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">That is precisely the reason I
am thinking about combining these two concepts; biomass/char
and mass absorption and transmission. I want to produce char
as a co-product of the heating cycle, cooking will also be a
secondary consideration.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">My desire is to find a design
that will benefit and further enhance each of these
concepts. I am not particularly enamored with the idea
of continuous "fire" tending, I do like the notion of
building one or two very hot, short duration fires and then
walking away to have the mass regulate the heating needs of
the space.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">As I said above creating
biochar in this process is equally important to my purposes.
I really hate the idea and throwing off the "waste"
heat from the char production, as I also do not like the
idea of burning up the char in a continuously fed heating
appliance. It seems to me that it may be possible to doubly
enhance the efficiencies of each of the these two processes
by combining them.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Does this seem desirable to any
others here?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Chas, pronounced Chaz</font> </div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If this is going to become a
busy discussion I will need to set up a different email acct
for it, this is my studio email and it gets enough activity
on it's own. Is this a discussion that should be moved to a
list server?</font></div>
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0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b> <a
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="english@kingston.net"
href="mailto:english@kingston.net">Alex English</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="chinckley@efwinslow.com"
href="mailto:chinckley@efwinslow.com">chinckley@efwinslow.com</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="jotemahern@gmail.com"
href="mailto:jotemahern@gmail.com">Jote Mahern</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 09,
2011 11:29 PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] High
mass space heating options Re: Rocket Stove for the PLACE</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
12pt;">Alex: I believe the most appropriate answer to your
final question below (<em>"What do you see as the advantages
of combining these two approaches?"</em>) is one you gave
yourself: ("...<span style="font-style: italic;">a desire for
char</span> ...").<br>
<br>
The beauty of high mass heaters is that they mesh well with
a batch process - the main (only?) drawback of char-making
stoves.<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
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<br>
<hr id="zwchr"> <b>From: </b>"Alex English" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:english@kingston.net">english@kingston.net</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <<a
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<b>Cc: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chinckley@efwinslow.com">chinckley@efwinslow.com</a>,
"Jote Mahern" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jotemahern@gmail.com">jotemahern@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:49:16 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] High mass space heating options
Re: Rocket Stove for the PLACE<br>
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Paul,<br>
The TLUD configuration has it's advantages and disadvantages,
like any <br>
system. One advantage is it's steady state energy release.
High mass <br>
heaters strive for a similar result. It seems a bit redundant
to pair <br>
the two. Perhaps it depends on other considerations like a
desire for <br>
char or an available particulate fuel supply.<br>
<br>
There are some folks doing fine work at the Masonry Heater
Association.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mha-net.org/">http://mha-net.org/</a><br>
They have done a lot on emissions, efficiency and durability.<br>
They have looked into Down feed rocket configurations.<br>
I'm not sure if they have quantified losses between firings,
or seasonal <br>
efficiency.<br>
<br>
Its a simple concept with lots of technical details.<br>
<br>
What do you see as the advantages of combining these two
approaches?<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
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On 10/7/2011 10:02 AM, Paul S. Anderson wrote:<br>
> Dear Jote and all,<br>
><br>
> Your problem (opportunity) is about space heating. And
you seem to want<br>
> biomass rather than fossil or other heat sources. So you
should consider<br>
> all heat-transfer options with biomass, not just latch
onto Rocket or<br>
> some other technology that makes heat.<br>
><br>
> For the climate of the Los Angeles area, why not consider
a high-mass<br>
> stove? It gets hot and then radiates heat for a long
time.<br>
><br>
> A new friend of mine in Massachusetts, Chas (prononced as
in Jazz)<br>
> Hinckley has a design for a high mass heater and we are
discussing a<br>
> moderately large TLUD combustor to provide the heat.<br>
><br>
> We are looking for other people who might be specifically
interested in<br>
> this high mass heating option with a TLUD heat source.<br>
><br>
> If anyone is interested, please get in touch with me and
Chas to have<br>
> some off-list discussions. (Chas is not subscribed to the
Stoves Listserv.)<br>
><br>
> Yes, you can put a Rocket burner into a high mass device,
but I do not<br>
> deal with that.<br>
><br>
> Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br>
> Known to some as: Dr. TLUD Doc Professor<br>
> Phone (USA): 309-452-7072 SKYPE: paultlud Email:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf">www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf</a>
(Best ref.)<br>
><br>
><br>
> Quoting Jote Mahern <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jotemahern@gmail.com"><jotemahern@gmail.com></a>:<br>
><br>
>> Hello All,<br>
>><br>
>> My name is Jote and I am looking for some guidance on
the subject of<br>
>> building a rocket stove to heat an industrial space
near 64th and San<br>
>> Pablo.<br>
>> This space is home to the PLACE for sustainable
living (People Linking<br>
>> Art<br>
>> Community and Ecology). We are a nonprofit working as
a community<br>
>> resiliency laboratory and business incubator. We
opened in May. It is<br>
>> starting to get pretty cool inside. Any help/advice
is appreciated. I am<br>
>> heading up the project and have experience with cob
and am excited to<br>
>> put it<br>
>> to good use.<br>
>><br>
>> I am hoping to locate plans and someone who is
willing to go over them<br>
>> with<br>
>> me.<br>
>> If anyone is interested in joining the work party for
the build out<br>
>> that is<br>
>> definitely welcome as well.<br>
>><br>
>> Hope to hear from you soon!<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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