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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Marc,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes, I think for stovers interested in
distribution of effective improved cook stoves, attention to flexible financing
and responsiveness to local cooking conditions may be the more important
questions to ask.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for the reference. I was just
looking for information on what’s happening on the ground.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Isn’t it interesting though that no one
has responded to this post and said “We are selling X stove in X place for X?”
I guess that demonstrates what you have suggested, that the answer requires a
nuanced question.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marc Pare<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 19, 2011
9:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Stoves] Stove costs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>To add to the idea about perceived value that Cecil and Crispin started
--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>One of the most eye-opening readings on the topic for me was the
publication <a
href="http://www.hedon.info/docs/GVEP_Markets_and_Cookstoves__.pdf%20">"Cookstove
and Markets: Experiences, Successes, and Opportunities"</a> published by
GVEP International in 2009.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>(Jan -- there is also some discussion in the paper regarding your
original question about price, convenience, performance)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On pg 38, the authors present a figure comparing attributes of products
marketed to the poor. It turns out that the problem is more nuanced than
"the price is right". The decision-making steps presented in the
paper are:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"Initial Perceived Value"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"Affordable with Disposable Income"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"Affordable with Microfinance"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"Magnitude of Change [to daily habits]"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Something like Coca-Cola has a high perceived value, is affordable with
disposable income, and requires little change to daily habits.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that cook stoves in rural areas
face barriers at each of those stages.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>- low perceived value because of <i><span style='font-style:italic'>gradual</span></i>
negative impact to health<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>- generally not affordable with disposable income<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>- and often a big change to daily habits <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Marc Paré<br>
B.S. Mechanical Engineering<br>
Georgia Institute of Technology | Université de Technologie de Compiègne<br>
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my cv, etc. | <a href="http://notwandering.com" target="_blank">http://notwandering.com</a><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Anand Karve <<a
href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com">adkarve@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear Jan,<br>
I keep hearing about the people earning less than US$2 per day. In a<br>
lot of cases the income is shown to be low in statistics generated by<br>
the Government of that particular country. Even a landless labourer in<br>
a village in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region>
would have some hens and a goat (or ducks and a<br>
pig), the income from which never enters the Government statistics.<br>
Another fact of life is that people's priorities differ from ours.<br>
Some of us feel that the poor should have a clean latrine and a clean<br>
kitchen, but the poor themselves often consider a cellphones in their<br>
pocket and a t.v. in the house to be more important. Also the rate of<br>
conversion of a dollar into the local currency is often manipulated by<br>
the Government. 2 Dollars in a poor country has a relatively high<br>
buying power in that country than in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<br>
Yours<br>
A.D.Karve<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Jan Bianchi <<a
href="mailto:janbianchi@comcast.net">janbianchi@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> Do any of you know of a list that compares different clean burning
cook<br>
> stoves not only by fuel type, efficiency and emissions, but also by price<br>
> and the presence or lack thereof of subsidy? I don’t see the latter<br>
> information on most websites that describe different stoves.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> If there isn’t such a list, maybe we could work to put together one by
each<br>
> of you sending a link that describes a stove and stating the price they
are<br>
> currently being sold for in local communities, together with whether there<br>
> is a subsidy and if so the amount? I’d be happy to work with <st1:place
w:st="on">Erin</st1:place> to put<br>
> together such a list from your answers.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> For people living on $2 a day or less, what for example would be
considered<br>
> a low cost stove? Middling? High?<br>
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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