<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Kevin and ccs:<br><br> 1. This is getting complicated - as the dialog has shifted from the BFW story on Africa/Rademakers over to the IBI material.prepared by Kelpie Wilson. My perception is that you are looking for specific information from both reports that were not intended and aren't there. So I see no reason to respond to your questions about Kelpie's IBI work .<br><br> 2. The BFW story was covered on the biochar lists about a month ago; see:<br> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biochar-production/message/833<br> It is unfortunate that this story is started over again on the stoves
list. It doesn't belong - there is zero stoves aspect to the BFW
story.. <br><br> 3. I look forward to hearing your reaction to the selected quotes from BFW's report - which I presume you have not yet read.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>Ron<br> :<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Kevin C" <kchisholm@ca.inter.net><br><b>To: </b>biochar@yahoogroups.com<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, December 26, 2011 8:37:12 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [biochar] [Stoves] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar - Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon<br><br>
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<p>Dear Erich<br>
Quoting Erich Knight <<a href="mailto:erichjknight%40gmail.com" target="_blank">erichjknight@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
> The Black Market speaks louder than words;<br>
> What better positive proof than the section about the dark side of our<br>
> nature, the thieft of the biochar corn, believed to be some new breed of<br>
> magic bean, I believe the judgement of the blackmarket has a lot to say<br>
> about the true results of this effort.<br>
> I would like to see how many participants were excluded from the project<br>
> because of this.<br>
> This BFW report on Lauren's work only looks bad to folks who don't have an<br>
> appreciation of the communication and infrastructural problems of<br>
> working in Africa. He tried to enroll 1500, got less, but the smiling faces<br>
> holding up the corn root balls is irrefutable to me.<br>
<br>
# OK!! That is wonderful!! What specifically was it that those who had <br>
good results do, that was good, and what specifically did those with <br>
bad results do, that was bad? It might have been that those who had <br>
the good results put on more than the usual amount of compost and <br>
fertilizer, and watered their crops adequately, while those with the <br>
poor results simply added biochar alone, and did not water the crop <br>
adequately. From the Report, we just don't know.<br>
><br>
> In response, ( if I had the author's email ) , I would send her the soil<br>
> testing work in Kenya, Uganda and the work<br>
> Pro-Natura has done across the global south.<br>
<br>
# Does it tell specifically how much of biochar, compost, fertilizer <br>
to add per square meter, for the soils in that area? Does the Report <br>
tell whether or not the treatment is an economically sound move for <br>
the Farmer? If I was a poor Farmer, with limited resources, such <br>
information would be very valuable to me.<br>
><br>
> *Biochar Work** in Nine Developing Countries:<br>
> *<a href="http://www.biochar-international.org/9country*" target="_blank">http://www.biochar-international.org/9country*</a><br>
<br>
# The above Report is all about experiemnts underway now. There are no <br>
results showing the circumstances, if any, under which biochar would <br>
be a sensible investment for a poor Farmer. Please let us know when <br>
results from these 9 tests are available.<br>
><br>
> World Bank Study:* The survey data from 150 biochar projects located in 38<br>
> developing countries is available now on the IBI website at:<br>
> <a href="http://www.biochar-international.org/sites/default/files/IBI_Survey_5-11-11_online.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.biochar-international.org/sites/default/files/IBI_Survey_5-11-11_online.pdf</a><<a href="http://org2.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=0EjclpuNkm8%2Be%2B4l0rwVIf1odzqaGaMk" target="_blank">http://org2.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=0EjclpuNkm8%2Be%2B4l0rwVIf1odzqaGaMk</a>><br>
> .<br>
# If I was a poor Farmer, and read this latter report, it would be <br>
interesting, but it would suggest that biochar is still very much in <br>
the experimental phase, and I would not wish to spend my meagre <br>
resources on something that was not proven.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Kevin Chisholm<br>
<br>
><br>
> Xmas Cheers,<br>
> Erich<br>
><br>
><br>
> *On Behalf Of *Kevin C<br>
><br>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:00 PM<br>
>> *To:* <a href="mailto:biochar%40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [biochar] [Stoves] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar -<br>
>> Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon****<br>
>><br>
>> ** **<br>
>><br>
>> ****<br>
>><br>
>> Dear David and Clem<br>
>><br>
>> It is just as wrong to falsely condemn biochar as being ineffective as<br>
>> it is to falsely praise biochar as being effective.<br>
>><br>
>> The Cameroon Report tells of a series of tests that turned out badly.<br>
>> If this is a true report of a biochar test, then biochar supporters<br>
>> should have great concerns. The issue here is: Is the report correct<br>
>> or not? It is very wrong to criticize the report simply because it<br>
>> reports results which we do not like to hear.<br>
>><br>
>> So, if you wish to criticize this report, it would be very helpful to<br>
>> do so, but to do so in a helpful manner, you must show where it is<br>
>> wrong.<br>
>> * Was data falsified?<br>
>> * Was poor testing protocol followed?<br>
>> * Were the soil circumstances inappropriate for the use of biochar?<br>
>> * Was the test work competently managed and executed?<br>
>> * Etc...<br>
>><br>
>> It would be very surprising indeed if every single biochar test was a<br>
>> resounding success, and it would be equally surprising if every single<br>
>> biochar test was a failure. I am sure that there are circumstances<br>
>> where the use of biochar is appropriate, and I am equally sure that<br>
>> there are circumstances where biochar is inapropriate.<br>
>><br>
>> My problem is just that: I don't know where to recommend biochar as<br>
>> being appropriate, and I don't know where to recommend it as being<br>
>> inappropriate.<br>
>><br>
>> Can you help me, and everyone else who would like to use biochar, if<br>
>> it made economic sense?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks.<br>
>><br>
>> Kevin Chisholm<br>
>><br>
>> Quoting David Yarrow <<a href="mailto:dyarrow5%40gmail.com" target="_blank">dyarrow5@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>> > hear, hear, clement.<br>
>> > beware the hidden agenda funded by invisible enemies.<br>
>> > these people do not use honest reason or plain facts to advance<br>
>> > their charges.<br>
>> > their motivation is not rational or reasonable.<br>
>> > beware the smokescreen.<br>
>> > ~dancing dragonfly<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Dec 26, 2011, at 1:22 AM, Clement Aigbogun wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Can you please explain to the list why you are making a suble<br>
>> condemnation<br>
>> >> Of something you have not tried yourself?<br>
>> >> You must have a hidden agenda.I have tried biochar on soil and<br>
>> >> plant and I tell you it produce<br>
>> >> Excellent results.<br>
>> >> Please try and experiment with biochar before making any<br>
>> >> pronouncement about it.<br>
>> >> Clement<br>
>> >> Nigeria<br>
>> >> PS- feel free to ask me sincere questions about biochar and its<br>
>> >> uses and I shall provide<br>
>> >> Answers based on my ongoing experiment on biochar utilisation.<br>
>> >> I would provide useful answers if you are polite and not just<br>
>> >> trying to bring down a useful idea because of you hidden agenda<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ----------------------------On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 5:40 PM GMT-12:00<br>
>> >> Andrew C. Parker wrote:>Could someone please post this to the<br>
>> >> Biochar<br>
>> >> <br>
>> list?>><<a href="http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/201112160395.html" target="_blank">http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/201112160395.html</a>>>>_______________________________________________>Stoves<br>
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text-decoration: none;
}
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font-size: 77%;
list-style-type: square;
padding: 6px 0;
}
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margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 8px;
}
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font-family: Georgia;
}
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margin: 0 0 1em 0;
}
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font-size: 120%;
}
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border-right: none !important;
}
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