<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Yury and several lists<br><br> See a few comments below in your response from last night to me.<br><br>Ron<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Tom Miles" <tmiles@trmiles.com><br><b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:06:12 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] [biochar] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar - Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon<br><br><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yury,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This stoves discussion group is for cooking stoves for developing countries, which is why were are interested in your charcoal kilns and stoves. The biochar discussions are at <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biochar/" target="_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biochar/</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We have hosted the stoves discussion since 1996. Most of the several hundred people on this list are involved in developing cooking stoves or building and installing improved cook stoves in developing countries. Participants on this list have installed hundreds of thousands of stoves. We are experienced in gasification, combustion and rural and urban development. Collectively this year participants have probably installed more than 800,000 cook stoves in more than 200 countries. You will find their work linked on the stoves discussion site at www.stoves.bioenerglists.org ; Partnership for Clean Indoor Air <a href="http://www.pciaonline.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pciaonline.org/</a> and others. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You will find that participants on the biochar lists, which we have hosted since 2006, are also very experienced in soils, crops, engineering, and field applications in developing countries. Biochar is one of the tools that can help development and we are working to find ways in which it can help both provide heat for cooking and char to improve soil fertility. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So discussion about improved biomass cooking stoves belongs on this list. Discussion about biochar belongs on the biochar lists unless you are making biochar with a cooking stove. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tom Miles</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Owner Bioenergylists.org</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>user-05@list.ru<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 26, 2011 11:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] [biochar] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar - Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke"><br><br><br><span class="hps">Andrew C, David, Clem, Xmas Cheers, Erich, Ron, Kevin and ccs:</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke">Biochar</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke">is not the best</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke">method of application</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke">to improve</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:whitesmoke">soil fertility.</span></span><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="hps"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="hps"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"> <strong>[RWL: Your reasoning? Biochar can be obtained simultaneously with "essential oils"]</strong><br></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="hps"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><br></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">The most</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">effective method of</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">improving soil fertility</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">is</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">fertilizationof green</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">wood</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">waste</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">obtained during the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">processing of</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;">essential oils.</span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="font-weight: bold;">[RWL: There may be a problem in Google translations here - but this sentence doesn't make sense to me. I do not intend to respond on the stoves list, should you wish to pursue this topic.]</span><br><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="hps"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="hps"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke"></span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">The amount of waste</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">wood</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">green</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">compared to</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">biochar</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">get</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">more.Essential oils</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">in it</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">are removed.</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">This waste</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">wood</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">greens</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">are</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">an excellent material</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">for planting</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">and</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">breeding</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">Californian worm</span></span><span style="background:whitesmoke">.</span><br><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">In addition</span></span><span style="background:whitesmoke">, Africans<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">get</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">a well paid job</span>, producing<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">essential oilsfrom</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">native trees</span>.</span><br><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">Turn</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">me</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">into</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">a program to improve</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:whitesmoke"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="background:whitesmoke">soil fertility in Africa</span></span><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;">.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">I will create a</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">perfect</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">equipment</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">for</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">wood</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">waste</span>-free<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">green</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">tar</span>, tar,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">taroils.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">It</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">Californian</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">worms will</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">reproduce</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">and</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">velshikolepno</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">Africawill gradually</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">blooming</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">and</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">fragrant</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">country.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">I'm ready</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">now</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">to join in</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">this cause.</span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333"><span style="background:whitesmoke"><span class="hps"> <span style="font-weight: bold;">[RWL: My part of this dialog will only be continuing on the Biochar sites - unless you bring in a direct connection of Biochar with stoves. The material that we have been discussing about Mr. Rademakers and his work in The Cameroon had no connection with stoves - as emphasized in the preceding message from Tom Miles.]</span><br></span></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Ron</span><br></p><p style="text-align: right;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><br></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">----- Original Message ----- </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" title="rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" title="biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass</a> ; <a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" title="kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">Kevin Chisholm</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:erichjknight@gmail.com" title="erichjknight@gmail.com" target="_blank">Erich Knight</a> ; <a href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com" title="biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">biochar-policy</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:01 AM</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Re: [Stoves] [biochar] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar - Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Kevin and ccs:<br><br> 1. This is getting complicated - as the dialog has shifted from the BFW story on Africa/Rademakers over to the IBI material.prepared by Kelpie Wilson. My perception is that you are looking for specific information from both reports that were not intended and aren't there. So I see no reason to respond to your questions about Kelpie's IBI work .</span><br></p></div></blockquote></div> <snIp><br></div></body></html>