<HTML><BODY>There are coppers for heating and Biocoal reception. As for example this.<br>Yury Blagodarov.<br><br><br>On January, 02nd 2012, 06:37 from Tom Miles Easystreet <tmiles@trmiles.com>:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6; margin:10px; padding:0 0 0 10px;" class="mailru-blockquote"><div id="class_1325489118">
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<div style=" background-color: #FFFFFF"><div>Thanks Ken. We'll see who else might be available. </div><div><br></div><div>Tom<br><br>T R Miles Technical Consultants Inc. 503-780-8185<span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); " class="style_13254718530000000920Apple-style-span"></span><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); " class="style_13254718530000000920Apple-style-span"><a target="_blank" href="//e.mail.ru/cgi-bin/sentmsg?compose&To=tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562);" class="style_13254718530000000920Apple-style-span">Sent from mobile. </span></div></div><div><br>On Jan 1, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Ken <<a target="_blank" href="//e.mail.ru/cgi-bin/sentmsg?compose&To=islandcanyons@yahoo.com">islandcanyons@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" class="mceItemTable"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>Tom and all,<br>I had an email from Art Donnelly a couple of weeks ago saying that he would be in Costa Rica until May.<br><br>Ken</div></td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="_origMsg_">
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<td valign="top" style="font:inherit;">Good suggestion. If we can get Paul, Art and Nathan I'd be happy to moderate<br>the discussion. <br><br>Tom<br><br>---- Original Message----<br>From: <a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>[mailto:<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On Behalf Of Crispin<br>Pemberton-Pigott<br>Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 1:10 PM<br>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] Biochar Stove Discussion at ETHOS<br><br>How about World Stove users in Rwanda? I heard at least once they are<br>bringing in the char. <br>Crispin<br><br><br>---- Original Message----<br>From: "Tom Miles" <<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>><br>Sender: <a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:20:57 AM<br>To: <<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:ethos@vrac.iastate.edu">ethos@vrac.iastate.edu</a>>; ' Discussion of biomass cooking<br>stoves'<<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>; ' Bryden, Kenneth [M<br>E] ' <<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kmbryden@iastate.edu">kmbryden@iastate.edu</a>>; <<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:angiemcg@iastate.edu">angiemcg@iastate.edu</a>><br>Reply-To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br> <<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Cc: ' Kathy Nafie'<<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kathy.nafie162@gmail.com">kathy.nafie162@gmail.com</a>>; <<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:pwever@chipenergy.com">pwever@chipenergy.com</a>>; ' Hugh<br>McLaughlin'<<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net">wastemin1@verizon.net</a>>; <<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] Biochar Stove Discussion at ETHOS<br><br>Paul,<br><br>Art Donnelly or someone from Seachar should be on the panel if he is not in<br>Costa Rica. Who else has worked in the field with biochar from stoves?<br><br>Do we have enough information, or field experience, to know whether biochar<br>from stoves has been adopted and used by cooks? Does the shoe fit? I suspect<br>that in getting used to a new stove, like a TLUD, it takes the cook awhile<br>to buy into it. Saving the charcoal is another
step. Making biochar of<br>different qualities for different purposes would be another step. How does<br>using a biochar stove differ from using the fines from an earth kiln,<br>beehive kiln, Adam retort, Pronatura kiln or other charcoal making device<br>that might be is use nearby? <br><br>If we have the cast these topics would be useful. <br><br>Tom<br> <br><br>---- Original Message----<br>From: <a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu">ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu</a> [mailto:<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu">ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu</a>]<br>On Behalf Of Paul S. Anderson<br>Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 8:20 AM<br>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Bryden, Kenneth [M E];<br><a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:angiemcg@iastate.edu">angiemcg@iastate.edu</a><br>Cc: Hugh McLaughlin; Kathy Nafie; <a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:pwever@chipenergy.com">pwever@chipenergy.com</a>;<br><a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>; ETHOS - Listserve<br>Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] Biochar Stove Discussion at ETHOS<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>I totally agree with the Tom and Mark about having a panel on biochar at the<br>ETHOS 2012 meeting at the end of this month (January).<br><br>I submit the following additional information:<br><br>1. I offer to be on the panel. I attend biochar conferences and frequently<br>present about biochar production. I think that I should NOT organize nor<br>lead the panel.<br><br>2. Let's define what biochar issues will be focal, and which will be<br>secondary. Tom Miles wrote:<br>> I think the emphasis should be on field experiences with the use of <br>> char in developing countries more than on stoves that make char.<br><br>However, ETHOS is NOT a group of soil and
plant scientists, nor is it<br>focused on climate change. Summary statements about the secondary topics<br>could be useful. But our primary focus actually is the ability of<br>cookstoves to make char (and what types of char?) and in what quantities and<br>with what fuel feedstocks.<br><br>3. I am sbmitting today (via this message to Angie) my abstract for a<br>presentation at ETHOS. I would like this to be a regular presentation that<br>is at any time slot before the panel discussion.<br><br>*******************<br><br>Abstract for ETHOS 2012<br><br>Title: Micro-gasification for Combined Heat and Biochar (CHAB) in "Mini"<br>Industries<br><br>Authors: Paul S. Anderson, Charles Anglin, Art Donnelly and Paul W. Wever<br><br>Abstract:<br>Micro-gasification devices at "mini" sizes from 20 to 150 kW (70 K to<br>500 K BTU/hr) provide far more thermal power than is needed for<br>institutional cooking and far less than
most applications of the heat for<br>small industry and space-heating of buildings. Currently functional devices<br>and applications are explained and discussed with quantitative data. These<br>include: TLUD heat for Paramont Dairy in Uganda; TLUD drying of cacao beans<br>in the SeaChar project in Costa Rica; AVUD (continuous automated operation)<br>heat and biochar production for a municipal bio-digestor and for factory<br>space-heating by Chip Energy in the USA, and barrel-size biochar production<br>(without use of the heat) by several initiatives, including the Jolly Roger<br>Oven, the Re:Char project in Kenya, "in-field" biochar-barrel system by<br>Anderson, and efforts by UB International in Mongolia and elsewhere.<br><br>********************************<br>Notes:<br><br>1. Anderson will be working with Art Donnelly in Costa Rica in the middle<br>half of this month, so the results presented will be as up to date
as<br>possible.<br><br>2. This presentation is intended to be one of several by different people<br>at ETHOS about TLUD micro-gasification. Known or suspected presentations<br>include (These are NOT in order, and we hope that they will NOT be in<br>concurrent sessions,)<br><br>A. Marc Pare, on micro-gasification advances using rice husks as fuel in<br>TLUDs.<br><br>B. Christa Roth, on GIZ advances with charcoal stoves, including the <br>TChar technology. (if unfamiliar with "TChar", please see <br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a> )<br><br>C. Paul Anderson, the CHAB devices (see abstract at start of this message).<br><br>D. Robert Fairchild, (title not known, but he works with TLUD and TChar<br>devices for project in Haiti, and brings an engineering perspective to the<br>topic.)<br><br>E. Kathy Nafie, President of the Biomass Energy Foundation, presenting<br>about outreach activities in North
America and overseas by the BEF relating<br>to micro-gasification.<br><br>F. Presenter unknown, but work by Aprovecho on TLUD / micro-gasification<br>will probably be presented (we hope).<br><br>G. Does Jim Jetter or someone else involved with stove testing have a<br>summary of emissions data from micro-gasifiers? (we hope so.)<br><br>H. OTHERS: I do not want to leave anyone out, but I do not know of all of<br>the efforts with micro-gasification, and / or if they will be attending.<br>There are now numerous projects and efforts around the world (including<br>Wendelbo / Formo in Zambia).<br><br>And because all of the TLUD stoves and devices can be use to make biochar,<br>these also relate to the topic of this email. I would like to hear (via a<br>direct message) from anyone with a TLUD-type topic for presentation, even if<br>you are not going to attend ETHOS.<br><br>NOTE: The deadline for abstracts to ETHOS is
TODAY 1 January 2012. <br>In past years there have been some extentions of time, but that is up to<br>Angie and Mark of ETHOS. Contact them immediately if considering sending in<br>an abstract.<br><br>Plus:<br>The Saturday evening presentation (sometimes called a "Keynote" <br>presentation) this year will be on<br><br>"The Present and Future of Micro-gasification for Cookstoves: <br>Expectations for Achieving the 2020 Goals of the Global Alliance for Clean<br>Cookstoves."<br><br>I will be making that presentation, and I assure you that it will NOT be<br>what you have heard before nor even in the numerous presentations listed<br>above.<br><br>I am suggesting that the ETHOS administration allow this to be a "public<br>lecture "open to everyone, not just to the those who register for the ETHOS<br>conference. If that is allowed, we can attract a larger audience to our<br>ETHOS objectives. Perhaps our host University and
other organizations such<br>as SeaChar and BEF could help publicize the presentation.<br><br>**********************<br><br>Paul<br>--<br>Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br>Known to some as: Dr. TLUD Doc Professor<br>Phone (USA): 309-452-7072 SKYPE: paultlud Email: <a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf">www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf</a> (Best ref.)<br><br><br>Quoting "Bryden, Kenneth [M E]" <<a target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kmbryden@iastate.edu">kmbryden@iastate.edu</a>>:<br><br>> Sounds like a great idea. This is an important discussion or community <br>> needs to have. Any suggestions or volunteers? Ron? Anyone from <br>> SeaChar?<br>><br>><br>> On Dec 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Tom Miles wrote:<br>><br>> Who wants to lead a biochar stove discussion at ETHOS? I think the <br>> emphasis should
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