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I thing the problem of Erkan was of technical nature?<br>
Not experienced with traditional carbonization he straightly jumped
into brick kiln (bee hieve) carbonization..<br>
i think a person who can manage an arduous earth mound kiln, will
also manage improved carbonization?<br>
chris<br>
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Am 01.03.2012 15:50, schrieb George Wood:
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Very sorry for this guy, but you've got to do "proof of concept"
and get 'buy-in' from the villagers (Your customers!) before
emabarking on a full scale operation. I'm going to be working on
a total project budget of 10,000 - 15,000 USD (and it's money I
really cannot afford to lose)<br>
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Plan! Plan! Plan! and then Research! and then check what is
actually wanted. Today, I had the idea of checking what cooking
height the villagers want. Is squatting when cooking the
preferred style or would they prefer to stand up? That's worth a
survey, as if we provide something that does not fit with the
cooking preference, it will never be accepted.<br>
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George<br>
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<div>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:24:33 +0100<br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:scda2@t-online.de">scda2@t-online.de</a><br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
> Subject: [Stoves] harsh experience with charcoal making
in Turkey with beehieve kilns<br>
> <br>
> Some harsh experience on charcoal making<br>
> Erkan was going to try the "adam-retorts", but then
preferred<br>
> to invest in 6 beehive kilns in Turkey<br>
> .....<br>
> <br>
> Dear Chris,<br>
> How are you? and your famıly,ı hope everythıng ıs ok on
the way,,<br>
> <br>
> Dear frıend I quıt, I gave up, ı am fınıshed,<br>
> I see that charcoal makıng ıs not for me, I spent 2 years
ın villages <br>
> near the oak forrests<br>
> ı sleping ın tents, fıght with mosquıdos, rats and all
the pests, snakes,<br>
> and that ever lıvıng ın nature, ı even broke my pelvıs
bone,<br>
> in an accıdent fell on from the top of my beehıve kılns
4.5 m hıgh,<br>
> thanks God ım stıll alıve,<br>
> and ı lost about 40 000 usa dollars and ım fınıshed my
frıend,<br>
> now ım back ın ıstanbul with my famıly,<br>
> <br>
> I am stıll ın charcoal bussınes, hopfully next week ıll
be at Egypt for <br>
> to make new contacts for Charcoal,<br>
> ı have to shıp 40 ft contaıner full of ıt to a custumer
ın Turkey,<br>
> so my frıend thıs ıs the end of my charcoal makıng dream,<br>
> gettıng up to % 60 of oak wood wwhıch ıs impossıble<br>
> wishing you all the best<br>
> <br>
> Erkan<br>
> <br>
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