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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=paul.olivier@esrla.com href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul
Olivier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 06, 2012 1:00
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] the 150 gasifier in
operation in Vietnam</DIV>
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<DIV>Kevin,<BR><BR>I do not think that normal mild steel wire mesh would make
it through a single gasifier run.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># Certainly, "red hot mild steel" in an oxidizing air
atmosphere will scale up and fail quickly. However, you don't have that....
you have a combustion zone atmosphere. It is very simple and cheap[ to try.
Try it, and let the screen itself tell you that it needs to be of higher
quality.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>
<DIV><BR>I'm afraid that it has to be something "exotic".</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># Let the system prove to you that it needs to be
exotic. :-)</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR>This wire mesh really gets hot.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># "Hot" is one thing, but "oxdizing atmosphere" is
another. If the atmosphere the screen "sees" is "adequately reducing", then
mild steel might be an economically good solution. On the other hand, as the
atmosphere becomes increasingly oxidizing, then the more exotic materials are
required. </FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>
<DIV><BR>Someone measured the temperature about 4 inches above the
dome.<BR>When the probe reached 500 C, he stopped.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># A material that would fail in air at 500 C might
be quite acceptable in a reducing atmosphere at 500 C</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># The problem is one of Temperature AND Atmosphere. You
could probably reduce costs safely, with a test program that confirmed the
minimum quality screen material that would do an acceptable
job.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Thanks.<BR>Paul<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Kevin <SPAN
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href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Why not start with simple mild steel screen, of
various sizes, and test them to see how long they last?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Exotic materials will probably last longer, but at a
very much higher cost. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Once you have cost and "lifetime" information, then
you can make the best decision about what materials to use.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=paul.olivier@esrla.com href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
target=_blank>Paul Olivier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</A> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] the 150
gasifier in operation in Vietnam</DIV>
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<DIV class=h5>446 stainless can handle temperatures as high as 1,200
C.<BR>Silicon carbide is quite cheap, and it can handle temperatures as
high as 1,650 C.<BR><A href="http://accuratus.com/silicar.html"
target=_blank>http://accuratus.com/silicar.html</A><BR><BR>Thanks.<BR>Paul<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Anand Karve <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com"
target=_blank>adkarve@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Dear Paul,</DIV>
<DIV>I have not worked with that grade of stainless steel and also not
worked with silicon carbide mesh.</DIV>
<DIV>Yours</DIV>
<DIV>A.D.Karve<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Paul Olivier
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
target=_blank>paul.olivier@esrla.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>A.D.,<BR><BR>I am looking for a 446 stainless steel
wire mesh.<BR>Have you ever worked with silicon carbide mesh?<BR>It is
used as an emitter in thermophotovoltaics.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Anand Karve
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com"
target=_blank>adkarve@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Dear Paul,</DIV>
<DIV>even stainless steel is no good. At high temperature, it
corrodes and crumbles into pieces.</DIV>
<DIV>Yours</DIV>
<DIV>A.D.Karve<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Steve Taylor <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk"
target=_blank>steve@thetaylorfamily.org.uk</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 5 March 2012 02:56, Paul Olivier <SPAN
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target=_blank>paul.olivier@esrla.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote><BR>I know that a tungsten wire mesh
exists.<BR>But no doubt this would be too
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<DIV><BR>Tungsten will oxidise to nothing very quickly. Probably
Incoloy would be ideal<BR><FONT
color=#888888><BR>Steve<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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