<html><head><base href="x-msg://13/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Stovers,<div><br></div><div>On a slightly different note, does anyone have access to the CFD simulation work done for the Bio-lite stove.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>Sarbagya <br><div><div>On 31/03/2012, at 6:03 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dear Richard Almost in Guatemala<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">This is a little bit about Chad’s programme and a little about yours.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">If people could please support the Nat Geo initiative it would always help. Show up and click on a few things and tell your friends. There are very few initiatives that support pro-poor energy policies, compared with the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>largesse</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>that flows to energy for the rich. The disparity has always been a sore point for appropriate technologists as many of us know.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">></span>Indications are very good thus far. <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">That is good news. Who/what is your counterpart organisation?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">></span>The trick will not be a technical hurdle or even a resource source hurdle there: Its going to be all about defining real need /cultural acceptance and empowerment of groups whom are not used to being empowered --and how that all will work within the culture--long after the donor cameras have left the scene.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Yebo. (“yes in Zulu”)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">></span>I wanted to also mention that technically one of the big challenges it to devise a simple grinder chopper device that will work for their resources.<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The first comment from Prof Annegarn on that and me is that NDE is exactly the place to develop such a device. Several devices for chopping and for grinding cassava were brought to SD-land, to the agric research centre in Malkerns. There was obviously a difference in approach to ‘A-T devices’ for local manufacture. There is no way we could copy them for local use as they would not have lasted long enough to secure the reputation of the vendor.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It is partly a cultural thing (people expect it to last if they pay for it) and partly exposure to old British technology that was used by the trading stores ‘back in the day’. Those things are still around. India is full of copies of such technologies. My question to you is where are the Guatemalans on this scale?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">></span>Lee Hite of Engineers without Borders (professional chapter) in Cincinatti developed a bio chop and bio grind device (see <a href="http://home.fuse.net/engineering/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://home.fuse.net/engineering/</a>) which gets pretty close .<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">See the video at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5solgSYXeJ0" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5solgSYXeJ0</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>– very good.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Something I have noticed is the use of a lot of wood on these constructions (presses and grinders). Most communities I have worked with do not have access to such nice large pieces of wood. The comment ‘it can be made without welding’ is odd in that welding is one of the near-universally available skills in fuel-deprived areas that might be interested in biomass briquettes. The reason the fuel is short is because there are so many people and where there are people there is transportation which means vehicle repairs which means welding.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There seems to be lots of room for cooperation on new presses and grinders.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Sala kakuhle (only because I have been in the Eastern Cape)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm; margin-left: 0mm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>