<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sebo Robert,<div>I think that Rok is te real expert here, as he designed the stove and has tested it many times. I do know that essentialy, ash = unburnt fuel… Ultimately, no ash = perfect combustion. And of course it also depends uponwhat you are using…</div><div>Richard Stanley</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:28 AM, ssemaganda Robert wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site </span><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><font size="3"> but I would want to know how is one able to remove the ash that keeps </font>accumulating b'se one thing I know with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree with me in that!</div><div><font size="3">let me hear from you stovers</font></div><div><font size="3">Robert </font></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
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digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove for near<br> instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of desired<br> aromatics (Richard Stanley)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:17:56 -0700<br>From: Richard Stanley <<a ymailto="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>><br>To: Stoves and biofuels network <<a ymailto="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove<br> for near instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission
of<br> desired aromatics<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org">9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br><br>Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <br>...from Here to Etorroficany it is:<br><br>The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up <br>in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them =<br>into the stove without burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way =<br>to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic =<br>emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source =<br>but I have not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems =<br>the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>biomass).
=20<br><br>For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He =<br>pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette =<br>rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These =<br>and the story behind them is archived these on this site: =<br><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><br><br>Richard Stanley<br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.legacyfound.org/">www.legacyfound.org</a><br><br><br><br>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<br><br>Stovers,<br><br>I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying. I =<br>think the idea is great!!!<br><br>And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the =<br>sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the =<br>stoves. =20<br><br>Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this =<br>drying method very easily. =20<br><br>Alternatively for easily portable heat
sources like many TLUDs, the fuel =<br>for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD =<br>unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD usage.<br><br>SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that =<br>are being dried present even greater risks. But this is because of =<br>wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the =<br>fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion. Instead, the biomass =<br>might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a =<br>piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br>Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat =<br>near the stoves.<br><br>Paul<br>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<br>Email: <a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>Website: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a><br><br>On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>> =20<br>> George,<br>> ... snip ...<br>> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes alongside to =<br>super dry them for two benefits: near instant and near smokeless =<br>ignition, and emission of desired aromas (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends =<br>for flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used =<br>tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You =<br>could, alternatively ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by =<br>simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20<br>> =20<br>> Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only guessing at stove shape =<br>and configuration=20<br><br>[DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's diagram. Imagine a =<br>peg sticking out from the side
of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette =<br>on that peg. Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves =<br>List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv. ]<br>> =20<br>> Richard Stanley<br>> www.legacfound.org<br>> =20<br>> =20<br>> =20<br>> =20<br><br><br>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495<br>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br>Content-Type: text/html;<br> charset=us-ascii<br><br><html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =<br>-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =<br>">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to =<br>Etorroficany it is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at =<br>least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a =<br>few seconds, or at least
long enough to toss them into the stove without =<br>burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in =<br>eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions =<br>out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have =<br> not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the =<br>aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please =<br>take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of =<br>molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is =<br>being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is =<br>archived these on this site: <a =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a>"><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpr=" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpr=</a><br>ess.com/2011/06/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard =<br>Stanley</div><div><a =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacyfound.org/" target="_blank">http://www.legacyfound.org</a>">www.legacyfound.org</a></div><div><br>=<br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul =<br>Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br>=20<br> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =<br>http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"><br>=20<br> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><br> Stovers,<br><br> <br><br> I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel =<br>drying. <br> I think the idea is great!!!<br><br>
<br><br> And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the<br> sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the<br> stoves. <br><br> <br><br> Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this<br> drying method very easily. <br><br> <br><br> Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the<br> fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which<br> the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD =<br>usage.<br><br> <br><br> SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near =<br>fuels<br> that are being dried present even greater risks. But =<br>this is<br> because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, =<br>however,<br>
merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous =<br>combustion. <br> Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like<br> the over-browning of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br> <br><br> Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat<br> near the stoves.<br><br> <br><br> Paul<br><br> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka =<br>"Dr TLUD"<br>Email: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>href=3D"mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>"><a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a> Skype: =<br>paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>Website: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">http://www.drtlud.com/</a>">www.drtlud.com</a></pre><br> <br><br> On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"x-msg://133/">George,<br> <div> ... snip ...</div><br> </blockquote><br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>type=3D"cite"><br> <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes<br>
alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant =<br>and<br> near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas =<br> (eg.,<br> eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and =<br>lemon<br> grass, cedar etc., etc., as used tradtionally for medicinal /<br> cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively<br> ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple =<br>slots in<br> stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. <br> <div><br><br> </div><br> <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only =<br>guessing at<br> stove shape and configuration <br><br>
</div><br> </div><br> </blockquote><br> <br><br> [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's =<br>diagram. Imagine<br> a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey<br> briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original =<br>message to<br> the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves<br> Listserv. ]<br><br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>type=3D"cite"><br> <div><br> <div> <br><br>
</div><br> <div>Richard Stanley</div><br> <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target="_blank">http://www.legacfound.org/</a>">www.legacfound.org</a></div><br> <div><br><br> </div><br> <div><br><br> </div><br> <div><br><br> </div><br> <div> <br> </div><br> </div><br> </blockquote><br> </div><br><br></div><br></div></body></html>=<br><br>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495--<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the
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