Hi Robert<br><br>From what country are you? What are the resources available in your community? Who are your intended clients/customers. <br><br>To begin with, you may visit the website of the Legacy Foundation. They have very rich library of the briquetting technologies and the on the ground experiences. <br>
<br>You may also see my work in the report in the <a href="http://www.holeyroket.wordpress.com">www.holeyroket.wordpress.com</a>. Briquetting and pelletizing should come together with a serious production of appropriate designs of stoves. I hope these sites will help you. <br>
<br>Feel free to call for inquiries after. <br><br>Best regards<br><br>Jed Guinto<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/13 ssemaganda Robert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ssemarobert@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ssemarobert@yahoo.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello stovers <br>Could some one help me grow in the briquette business by teaching me how to produce uncarbonized briquettes/pellets. I welcome your ideas <br>
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From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "Stoves" <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Stoves] Determination of thermal efficiency using the SeTAR<br> Hetergeneous Test
Protocol<br>Message-ID: <054101cd482a$c5de29f0$519a7dd0$@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Dear Thermally Active Friends<br>
<br> <br><br>Determining the thermal efficiency of a stove as a space heater or as a<br>cooker:<br><br> <br><br>The SeTAR HPT Spreadsheet calculates the thermal efficiency of a stove used<br>as a space heater based on the elemental fuel composition (ultimate<br>
analysis), the stack temperature and gas composition.<br><br> <br><br>It uses the Siegert Method of calculating thermal efficiency. This is<br>standard in Germany and much of Europe. It considers the ?chemical losses?<br>
of CO not burning to CO2. It calculates using the HHV and considers that<br>heat released combustion of Hydrogen in the fuel has produced water that was<br>condensed and cooled to the ambient air (actually the stove air supply<br>
temperature).<br><br> <br><br>See Page 2/14 of <br><br><a href="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/70550236/Enthalpy-of-Formation-Worksheet" target="_blank">http://www.docstoc.com/docs/70550236/Enthalpy-of-Formation-Worksheet</a> <br>
<br> <br><br>This document shows both outputs values for some realistic cases. See the<br>difference between the ?Standard? efficiency as calculated in the USA and<br>the ?Siegert? efficiency. The cause of the difference is that the<br>
calculation methods are quite different.<br><br> <br><br>Normally the Siegert efficiency value is higher but you can see on pages 5/<br>and 9/14 that the Siegert calculated efficiency is lower than the Standard<br>Efficiency when the stack temperature is high.<br>
<br> <br><br>In fact, the fuel heat number used in the US (in some industries) is not the<br>LHV value which assumes that water vapour and gases are cooled by the heat<br>exchanger to 100C and that heat was captured (the normal way to get LHV).1<br>
<br> <br><br>Some industries use 150 C as the
practical limit for extracting useable heat<br>so the ?loss? is an additional 50? C for everything passing through the<br>device. There are good (industrial) reasons for this, however there is<br>obviously confusion caused when trying to decide which method has been<br>
applied by someone else.<br><br> <br><br>The Siegert method is used in the HTP even if the instantaneous efficiency<br>is different some of the time. With space heating stoves, sometimes the HHV<br>is appropriate because the exhaust gases are condensing and going out as<br>
white ?fog?, sometimes even running down as liquid inside the chimney (the<br>black liquid that drops out) and sometimes it goes out as water vapour<br>indicating that the LHV is appropriate. So a decision was taken to use the<br>
European Siegert method across the board for stating space heating<br>efficiency.<br><br> <br><br>Prof Philip Lloyd (Cape Town) has reported difficulty determining the<br>thermal efficiency of
ethanol stoves because of condensation of moisture<br>taking place on the bottom of pots (HHV) early in the test but later this is<br>not the case (LHV). However this situation being unusual, in general the LHV<br>is used for cooking. <br>
<br> <br><br>In the case of cooking pots on stoves, the same HTP spreadsheet uses the LHV<br>(in common with most protocols) because in the vicinity of the cooking<br>region of most stoves the likelihood and frequency of moisture condensing on<br>
the pots throughout the cooking process is very low. If you were designing a<br>condensing heat exchanger instead of cooking, the method should be<br>appropriate to that case.<br><br> <br><br>In summary: the SeTAR Heterogeneous Test Protocol uses the Siegert method<br>
for determining the thermal efficiency as a space heater which means it uses<br>the HHV of the fuel, and uses the standard LHV values when determining the<br>efficiency of cooking over the fire.<br><br>
<br><br>These efficiencies are separately reported on the spreadsheet.<br><br> <br><br>Regards<br><br>Crispin<br><br> <br><br>1 [Also see S Baldwin?s discussion of this in his 1987 book ? I agree with<br>his suggestion but it is not the standard method: it is that LHV values<br>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site?<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/?but" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/?but</a> I
would want to know how is one able to remove the ash that keeps?accumulating b'se one thing I know with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree with me in that!<br>let me hear from you stovers<br>
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<br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:17:56 -0700<br>From: Richard Stanley <<a href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>><br>To: Stoves and biofuels network <<a href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove<br>??? for??? near instant ignition and if desired,??? smokeless emission of<br>??? desired aromatics<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br><br>Seconded, Paul? (thanks for that). <br>...from Here to Etorroficany it is:<br><br>The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up <br>in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them =<br>
into the stove without burning yourself.? Now when you figure out a way =<br>to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic =<br>emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source =<br>
but I have? not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems =<br>the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>biomass). =20<br><br>For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He =<br>
pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette
=<br>rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These =<br>and the story behind them is archived these on this site: =<br><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><br>
<br>Richard Stanley<br><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a><br><br><br><br>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<br><br>Stovers,<br><br>I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying.? I =<br>
think the idea is great!!!<br><br>And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the =<br>sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the =<br>stoves. =20<br><br>Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this =<br>
drying method very easily. =20<br><br>Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the fuel =<br>for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD =<br>unit is placed, and then
removed as in normal TLUD usage.<br><br>SAFETY NOTE:? Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that =<br>are being dried present even greater risks.? But this is because of =<br>wayward sparks.? In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the =<br>
fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion.? Instead, the biomass =<br>might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a =<br>piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br>Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat =<br>
near the stoves.<br><br>Paul<br>Paul S. Anderson, PhD? aka "Dr TLUD"<br>Email:? <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>? Skype: paultlud? Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>Website:? <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><br>
<br>On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>> =20<br>> George,<br>> ... snip ...<br>>? You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes
alongside to =<br>super dry them for two benefits:? near instant and near smokeless =<br>ignition, and? emission of desired aromas? (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends =<br>for? flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used =<br>
tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You =<br>could, alternatively ... [use]...? sheet metal riveted or fastened by =<br>simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20<br>
> =20<br>> Heres a simple 3D sketch of the? idea; am only guessing at stove shape =<br>and configuration=20<br><br>[DrTLUD says:? I was not able to attach Richard's diagram.? Imagine a =<br>peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette =<br>
on that peg.? Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves =<br>List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv.? ]<br>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? =20<br>> Richard Stanley<br>>
<a href="http://www.legacfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacfound.org</a><br>> =20<br>> =20<br>> =20<br>> =20<br><br><br>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495<br>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br>Content-Type: text/html;<br>
??? charset=us-ascii<br><br><html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =<br>-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =<br>">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to =<br>
Etorroficany it is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at =<br>least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a =<br>few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them into the stove without =<br>
burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in =<br>eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions =<br>out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have =<br>
not seen it
happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the =<br>aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please =<br>
take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of =<br>molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is =<br>being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is =<br>
archived these on this site: <a =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a>"><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpr=" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpr=</a><br>
<a href="http://ess.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">ess.com/2011/06/</a></a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard =<br>Stanley</div><div><a =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">http://www.legacyfound.org</a>"><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a></a></div><div><br>=<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul =<br>Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br>=20<br>? <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =<br>
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"><br>=20<br><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><br>? Stovers,<br><br>? <br><br>? I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel =<br>
drying. <br>? I think the idea is great!!!<br><br>? <br><br>? And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the<br>? sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the<br>
? stoves. <br><br>? <br><br>? Many of the current configurations of
TLUD stoves could adopt this<br>? drying method very easily. <br><br>? <br><br>? Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the<br>? fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which<br>
? the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD =<br>usage.<br><br>? <br><br>? SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near =<br>fuels<br>? that are being dried present even greater risks. But =<br>
this is<br>? because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, =<br>however,<br>? merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous =<br>combustion. <br>? Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like<br>
? the over-browning of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br>? <br><br>? Stovers
should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat<br>? near the stoves.<br><br>? <br><br>? Paul<br><br>? <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD? aka =<br>
"Dr TLUD"<br>Email:? <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>href=3D"mailto:<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>"><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a>? Skype: =<br>
paultlud? Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>Website:? <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">http://www.drtlud.com/</a>"><a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></a></pre><br>
? <br><br>? On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>? <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>
type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"x-msg://133/">George,<br>? ? <div> ... snip ...</div><br>? </blockquote><br>? <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>
type=3D"cite"><br>? ? <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes<br>? ? ? alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant =<br>and<br>? ? ? near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas =<br>
(eg.,<br>? ? ? eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and =<br>lemon<br>? ? ? grass, cedar etc., etc., as used
tradtionally for medicinal /<br>? ? ? cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively<br>? ? ? ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple =<br>slots in<br>? ? ? stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. <br>
? ? ? <div><br><br>? ? ? </div><br>? ? ? <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only =<br>guessing at<br>? ? ? ? stove shape and configuration <br><br>? ? ? </div><br>
? ? </div><br>? </blockquote><br>? <br><br>? [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's =<br>diagram. Imagine<br>? a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey<br>
? briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original =<br>message to<br>? the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves<br>?
Listserv. ]<br><br>? <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>
type=3D"cite"><br>? ? <div><br>? ? ? <div> <br><br>? ? ? </div><br>? ? ? <div>Richard Stanley</div><br>
? ? ? <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target="_blank">http://www.legacfound.org/</a>"><a href="http://www.legacfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacfound.org</a></a></div><br>
? ? ? <div><br><br>? ? ? </div><br>? ? ? <div><br><br>? ? ? </div><br>? ? ? <div><br><br>? ? ? </div><br>? ? ?
<div> <br>? ? ? </div><br>? ? </div><br>? </blockquote><br></div><br><br></div><br></div></body></html>=<br><br>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495--<br><br><br>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi Robert,<br><br>the quantity of ashes depends on the cooking time, briquette material and<br>how dry they are before inserted in the stove. Surprisingly enough, i used<br>
12 briquettes to cook goulash, which took 4 hours and didn't have to clean<br>the stove even once (briquettes were of pine flakes and paper, it was just<br>white dust that remained after burn).<br><br>I did make one solution for the problem tho - i drilled a 1/2 inch hole<br>
through the very bottom corner of
the combustion chamber, from the side of<br>the stove (90 degrees to the elbow shape), which provided an option to<br>clean the stove with a stick that just fitted the hole (you just pushed the<br>stick through the hole couple of times and ashes were pushed out on the<br>
other side. I'm sorry i can't provide any photos at the moment, but can do<br>so if desired!<br><br>I know Joshua Guinto (in Philippines) used to make a slightly lower<br>vertical part of the combustion chamber, so the ashes were falling in<br>
there. I can make a drawing for you<br><br>All the best with your endeavors!<br>Rok Oblak<br><br>On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:28 AM, ssemaganda Robert<br><<a href="mailto:ssemarobert@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ssemarobert@yahoo.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>> Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site<br>> <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a> but I
would want to know how is<br>> one able to remove the ash that keeps accumulating b'se one thing I know<br>> with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree<br>> with me in that!<br>
> let me hear from you stovers<br>> Robert<br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>> *From:* "<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>" <<br>
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> Message: 1<br>> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:17:56 -0700<br>> From: Richard Stanley <<a href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>><br>> To: Stoves and biofuels network <<a href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
> Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: on pre heating of
biomass alongside the stove<br>> for near instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of<br>> desired aromatics<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br>><br>><br>> Seconded, Paul (thanks for that).<br>> ...from Here to Etorroficany it is:<br>><br>> The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up<br>
> in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them =<br>> into the stove without burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way =<br>> to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic =<br>
> emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw
wood source =<br>> but I have not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems =<br>> the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>> biomass). =20<br>><br>> For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He =<br>
> pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette =<br>> rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These =<br>> and the story behind them is archived these on this site: =<br>
> <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><br>><br>> Richard Stanley<br>> <a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a><br>
><br>><br>><br>> On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<br>><br>> Stovers,<br>><br>> I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying. I =<br>> think the idea is great!!!<br>
><br>> And it can be
expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the =<br>> sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the =<br>> stoves. =20<br>><br>> Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this =<br>
> drying method very easily. =20<br>><br>> Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the fuel =<br>> for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD =<br>
> unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD usage.<br>><br>> SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that =<br>> are being dried present even greater risks. But this is because of =<br>
> wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the =<br>> fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion. Instead, the biomass =<br>> might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a =<br>
> piece of
toast), which is not combustion.<br>><br>> Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat =<br>> near the stoves.<br>><br>> Paul<br>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<br>
> Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>> Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><br>><br>
> On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>> > =20<br>> > George,<br>> > ... snip ...<br>> > You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes alongside to =<br>> super dry them for two benefits: near instant and near smokeless =<br>
> ignition, and emission of desired aromas (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends =<br>> for flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used =<br>> tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without
smoke). You =<br>> could, alternatively ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by =<br>> simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20<br>> > =20<br>> > Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only guessing at stove shape =<br>
> and configuration=20<br>><br>> [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's diagram. Imagine a =<br>> peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette =<br>> on that peg. Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves =<br>
> List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv. ]<br>> > =20<br>> > Richard Stanley<br>> > <a href="http://www.legacfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacfound.org</a><br>
> > =20<br>> > =20<br>> > =20<br>> > =20<br>><br>><br>> --Apple-Mail-6--76304495<br>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br>>
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> ">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to =<br>> Etorroficany it is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at =<br>> least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a =<br>
> few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them into the stove without =<br>> burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in =<br>> eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions =<br>
> out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have =<br>> not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the =<br>> aromoatics are more easily
emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>> biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please =<br>> take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of =<br>
> molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is =<br>> being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is =<br>> archived these on this site: <a =<br>> href=3D"<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a>"><br>
> <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpr=" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpr=</a><br>> <a href="http://ess.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">ess.com/2011/06/</a></a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard =<br>
> Stanley</div><div><a =<br>> href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">http://www.legacyfound.org</a>"><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a><br>
>
</a></div><div><br>=<br>> </div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul =<br>> Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br>
> =20<br>> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =<br>> http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"><br>> =20<br>> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><br>
> Stovers,<br><br>> <br><br>> I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel =<br>> drying. <br>> I think the idea is great!!!<br><br>> <br><br>
> And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the<br>> sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the<br>> stoves. <br><br>> <br><br>> Many of the
current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this<br>> drying method very easily. <br><br>> <br><br>> Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the<br>> fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which<br>
> the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD =<br>> usage.<br><br>> <br><br>> SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near =<br>> fuels<br>> that are being dried present even greater risks. But =<br>
> this is<br>> because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, =<br>> however,<br>> merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous =<br>> combustion. <br>> Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like<br>
> the over-browning
of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br>> <br><br>> Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat<br>> near the stoves.<br><br>> <br><br>
> Paul<br><br>> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka =<br>> "Dr TLUD"<br>> Email: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>
> href=3D"mailto:<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>"><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a> Skype: =<br>> paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>
> Website: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>> href=3D"<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">http://www.drtlud.com/</a>"><a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></a></pre><br>
>
<br><br>> On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>> <blockquote =<br>> cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>
> type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"x-msg://133/">George,<br>> <div> ... snip ...</div><br>> </blockquote><br>> <blockquote =<br>> cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>
> type=3D"cite"><br>> <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes<br>> alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant
=<br>> and<br>> near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas =<br>> (eg.,<br>> eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and =<br>> lemon<br>
> grass, cedar etc., etc., as used tradtionally for medicinal /<br>> cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively<br>> ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple =<br>
> slots in<br>> stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. <br>> <div><br><br>> </div><br>> <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only =<br>
> guessing at<br>> stove shape and configuration <br><br>>
</div><br>> </div><br>> </blockquote><br>> <br><br>> [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's =<br>> diagram. Imagine<br>> a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey<br>
> briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original =<br>> message to<br>> the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves<br>> Listserv. ]<br><br>
> <blockquote =<br>> cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>> type=3D"cite"><br>
> <div><br>> <div>
<br><br>> </div><br>> <div>Richard Stanley</div><br>> <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =<br>> href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target="_blank">http://www.legacfound.org/</a>"><a href="http://www.legacfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacfound.org</a></a></div><br>
> <div><br><br>> </div><br>> <div><br><br>> </div><br>> <div><br><br>> </div><br>> <div> <br>
> </div><br>> </div><br>> </blockquote><br>> </div><br>><br>> </div><br></div></body></html>=<br>><br>>
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cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>, Rok Oblak<br> <<a href="mailto:rok.stoves@gmail.com" target="_blank">rok.stoves@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:229292A6-49F2-49B4-BA6C-A99511B18282@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">229292A6-49F2-49B4-BA6C-A99511B18282@legacyfound.org</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br><br>Sebo Robert,<br>I think that Rok is te real expert here, as he designed the stove and has tested it many times. I do know that essentialy, ash = unburnt fuel? Ultimately, no ash = perfect combustion. And of course it also depends uponwhat you are using?<br>
Richard Stanley<br><br>On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:28 AM,
ssemaganda Robert wrote:<br><br>Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a> but I would want to know how is one able to remove the ash that keeps accumulating b'se one thing I know with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree with me in that!<br>
let me hear from you stovers<br>Robert <br><br>From: "<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
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Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove<br> for near instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of<br> desired aromatics<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br><br>Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <br>...from Here to Etorroficany it is:<br><br>The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up <br>in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them =<br>
into the stove without burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way =<br>to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic =<br>emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source =<br>
but I have not seen
it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems =<br>the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>biomass). =20<br><br>For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He =<br>
pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette =<br>rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These =<br>and the story behind them is archived these on this site: =<br><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><br>
<br>Richard Stanley<br><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a><br><br><br><br>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<br><br>Stovers,<br><br>I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying. I =<br>
think the idea is great!!!<br><br>And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the =<br>sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the =<br>stoves.
=20<br><br>Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this =<br>drying method very easily. =20<br><br>Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the fuel =<br>for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD =<br>
unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD usage.<br><br>SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that =<br>are being dried present even greater risks. But this is because of =<br>wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the =<br>
fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion. Instead, the biomass =<br>might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a =<br>piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br>Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat =<br>
near the stoves.<br><br>Paul<br>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<br>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><br>
<br>On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>> =20<br>> George,<br>> ... snip ...<br>> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes alongside to =<br>super dry them for two benefits: near instant and near smokeless =<br>
ignition, and emission of desired aromas (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends =<br>for flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used =<br>tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You =<br>
could, alternatively ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by =<br>simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20<br>> =20<br>> Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only guessing at stove shape =<br>
and
configuration=20<br><br>[DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's diagram. Imagine a =<br>peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette =<br>on that peg. Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves =<br>
List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv. ]<br>> =20<br>> Richard Stanley<br>> <a href="http://www.legacfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacfound.org</a><br>> =20<br>> =20<br>
> =20<br>> =20<br><br><br>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495<br>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br>Content-Type: text/html;<br> charset=us-ascii<br><br><html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =<br>
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =<br>">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to =<br>Etorroficany it
is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at =<br>least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a =<br>few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them into the stove without =<br>
burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in =<br>eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions =<br>out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have =<br>
not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the =<br>aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please =<br>
take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of =<br>molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is =<br>being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is
=<br>archived these on this site: <a =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a>"><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpr=" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpr=</a><br>
<a href="http://ess.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">ess.com/2011/06/</a></a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard =<br>Stanley</div><div><a =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">http://www.legacyfound.org</a>"><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a></a></div><div><br>=<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul =<br>Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br>=20<br> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =<br>
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"><br>=20<br><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><br> Stovers,<br><br>
<br><br> I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel =<br>drying. <br> I think the idea is great!!!<br><br> <br><br> And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the<br>
sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the<br> stoves. <br><br> <br><br> Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this<br> drying method very easily. <br><br>
<br><br> Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the<br> fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which<br> the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD =<br>
usage.<br><br> <br><br> SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near =<br>fuels<br> that are being dried present even
greater risks. But =<br>this is<br> because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, =<br>however,<br> merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous =<br>combustion. <br>
Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like<br> the over-browning of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br> <br><br> Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat<br>
near the stoves.<br><br> <br><br> Paul<br><br> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka =<br>"Dr TLUD"<br>Email: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>
href=3D"mailto:<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>"><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a> Skype: =<br>paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>
Website: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">http://www.drtlud.com/</a>"><a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></a></pre><br>
<br><br> On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>
type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"x-msg://133/">George,<br> <div> ... snip ...</div><br> </blockquote><br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>
type=3D"cite"><br> <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes<br> alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant =<br>and<br> near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas =<br>
(eg.,<br> eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and =<br>lemon<br> grass, cedar etc., etc., as used tradtionally for medicinal /<br> cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively<br>
... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple =<br>slots in<br> stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. <br>
<div><br><br> </div><br> <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only =<br>guessing at<br> stove shape and configuration <br><br> </div><br> </div><br>
</blockquote><br> <br><br> [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's =<br>diagram. Imagine<br> a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey<br> briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original =<br>
message to<br> the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves<br> Listserv. ]<br><br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>
type=3D"cite"><br> <div><br> <div> <br><br> </div><br> <div>Richard Stanley</div><br>
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