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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Great topic and I think we have reached the point that to move forward we need testing. With a given stove burning different briquettes will give different amounts of mineral ash, carbon ash, heat and burn characteristics depending on the physical, classification or organic make-up and chemical structure of the briquette. At some point when someone has a collection of bricks and charted the burn (ash, smoke, cooking ability, shape and structure of the brick, etc.) I would like to test the bricks to see if I can determine the properties and ratios that make the best brick. It may be stove dependent – or it may not and be useful information for all general stoves. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Frank<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Frank Shields<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Control Laboratories, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>42 Hangar Way<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Watsonville, CA 95076<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(831) 724-5422 tel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(831) 724-3188 fax<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.biocharlab/"><span style='color:blue'>www.biomasslab</span></a>.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Stanley<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ok AD, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for that but if what you say is true, I guess I remain with the question then how is it, that more efficient stoves "burn up" the briquettes so completely that little if any ash is left. The same briquettes with same blend, processed the same way leave chunky black carbon bits-- the so called biochar when combusted poorly . If the ash in the former case is not being combusted how, then, is it being reduced . <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have seen Rok's holey rocket and it is not being pushed out as particulates, so….<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Richard<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>==========<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 12, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Anand Karve wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Richard,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>a small correction. Ash is the non-combustible part of the fuel. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yours<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>A.D.Karve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Richard Stanley <<a href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sebo Robert, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think that Rok is te real expert here, as he designed the stove and has tested it many times. I do know that essentialy, ash = unburnt fuel… Ultimately, no ash = perfect combustion. And of course it also depends uponwhat you are using…<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Richard Stanley<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:28 AM, ssemaganda Robert wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a> but I would want to know how is one able to remove the ash that keeps accumulating b'se one thing I know with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree with me in that!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>let me hear from you stovers<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Robert <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> "<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:00 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Send Stoves mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Stoves digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove for near<br> instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of desired<br> aromatics (Richard Stanley)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:17:56 -0700<br>From: Richard Stanley <<a href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>><br>To: Stoves and biofuels network <<a href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove<br> for near instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of<br> desired aromatics<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br><br>Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <br>...from Here to Etorroficany it is:<br><br>The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up <br>in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them =<br>into the stove without burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way =<br>to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic =<br>emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source =<br>but I have not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems =<br>the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>biomass). =20<br><br>For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He =<br>pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette =<br>rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These =<br>and the story behind them is archived these on this site: =<br><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><br><br>Richard Stanley<br><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org/" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a><br><br><br><br>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<br><br>Stovers,<br><br>I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying. I =<br>think the idea is great!!!<br><br>And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the =<br>sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the =<br>stoves. =20<br><br>Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this =<br>drying method very easily. =20<br><br>Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the fuel =<br>for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD =<br>unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD usage.<br><br>SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that =<br>are being dried present even greater risks. But this is because of =<br>wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the =<br>fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion. Instead, the biomass =<br>might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a =<br>piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br>Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat =<br>near the stoves.<br><br>Paul<br>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<br>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><br><br>On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>> =20<br>> George,<br>> ... snip ...<br>> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes alongside to =<br>super dry them for two benefits: near instant and near smokeless =<br>ignition, and emission of desired aromas (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends =<br>for flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used =<br>tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You =<br>could, alternatively ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by =<br>simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20<br>> =20<br>> Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only guessing at stove shape =<br>and configuration=20<br><br>[DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's diagram. Imagine a =<br>peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette =<br>on that peg. Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves =<br>List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv. ]<br>> =20<br>> Richard Stanley<br>> <a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target="_blank">www.legacfound.org</a><br>> =20<br>> =20<br>> =20<br>> =20<br><br><br>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495<br>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br>Content-Type: text/html;<br> charset=us-ascii<br><br><html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =<br>-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =<br>">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to =<br>Etorroficany it is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at =<br>least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a =<br>few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them into the stove without =<br>burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in =<br>eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions =<br>out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have =<br> not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the =<br>aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<br>biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please =<br>take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of =<br>molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is =<br>being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is =<br>archived these on this site: <a =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a>"><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpr=/" target="_blank">http://holeyroket.wordpr=</a><br><a href="http://ess.com/2011/06/" target="_blank">ess.com/2011/06/</a></a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard =<br>Stanley</div><div><a =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacyfound.org/" target="_blank">http://www.legacyfound.org</a>"><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org/" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a></a></div><div><br>=<br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul =<br>Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br>=20<br> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =<br>http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"><br>=20<br><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><br> Stovers,<br><br> <br><br> I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel =<br>drying. <br> I think the idea is great!!!<br><br> <br><br> And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the<br> sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the<br> stoves. <br><br> <br><br> Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this<br> drying method very easily. <br><br> <br><br> Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the<br> fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which<br> the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD =<br>usage.<br><br> <br><br> SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near =<br>fuels<br> that are being dried present even greater risks. But =<br>this is<br> because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, =<br>however,<br> merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous =<br>combustion. <br> Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like<br> the over-browning of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><br> <br><br> Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat<br> near the stoves.<br><br> <br><br> Paul<br><br> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka =<br>"Dr TLUD"<br>Email: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>href=3D"mailto:<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>"><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a> Skype: =<br>paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>Website: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">http://www.drtlud.com/</a>"><a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></a></pre><br> <br><br> On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"<a href="x-msg://133/">x-msg://133/</a>">George,<br> <div> ... snip ...</div><br> </blockquote><br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>type=3D"cite"><br> <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes<br> alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant =<br>and<br> near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas =<br> (eg.,<br> eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and =<br>lemon<br> grass, cedar etc., etc., as used tradtionally for medicinal /<br> cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively<br> ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple =<br>slots in<br> stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. <br> <div><br><br> </div><br> <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only =<br>guessing at<br> stove shape and configuration <br><br> </div><br> </div><br> </blockquote><br> <br><br> [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's =<br>diagram. Imagine<br> a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey<br> briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original =<br>message to<br> the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves<br> Listserv. ]<br><br> <blockquote =<br>cite=3D"mid:<a href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<br>type=3D"cite"><br> <div><br> <div> <br><br> </div><br> <div>Richard Stanley</div><br> <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =<br>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target="_blank">http://www.legacfound.org/</a>"><a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target="_blank">www.legacfound.org</a></a></div><br> <div><br><br> </div><br> <div><br><br> </div><br> <div><br><br> </div><br> <div> <br> </div><br> </div><br> </blockquote><br></div><br><br></div><br></div></body></html>=<br><br>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495--<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br><br>End of Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10<br>**************************************<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>***<br>Dr. A.D. 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