Hello stovers <br />Could some one help me grow in the briquette business by teaching me how to produce uncarbonized briquettes/pellets. I welcome your ideas <br> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr" > <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" <stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:24 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 13<br> </font> </div> <br>Send Stoves mailing list submissions to<BR> <a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
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digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Determination of thermal efficiency using the SeTAR<BR> Hetergeneous Test Protocol (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)<BR> 2. Re: Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10 (ssemaganda Robert)<BR> 3. Re: Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10 (Rok Oblak)<BR> 4. Re: Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10 (Richard Stanley)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:34:39 -0400<BR>From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <<a ymailto="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>><BR>To: "Stoves" <<a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><BR>Subject: [Stoves] Determination of thermal efficiency using the SeTAR<BR> Hetergeneous Test
Protocol<BR>Message-ID: <054101cd482a$c5de29f0$519a7dd0$@gmail.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Dear Thermally Active Friends<BR><BR> <BR><BR>Determining the thermal efficiency of a stove as a space heater or as a<BR>cooker:<BR><BR> <BR><BR>The SeTAR HPT Spreadsheet calculates the thermal efficiency of a stove used<BR>as a space heater based on the elemental fuel composition (ultimate<BR>analysis), the stack temperature and gas composition.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>It uses the Siegert Method of calculating thermal efficiency. This is<BR>standard in Germany and much of Europe. It considers the ?chemical losses?<BR>of CO not burning to CO2. It calculates using the HHV and considers that<BR>heat released combustion of Hydrogen in the fuel has produced water that was<BR>condensed and cooled to the ambient air (actually the stove air supply<BR>temperature).<BR><BR> <BR><BR>See Page 2/14 of <BR><BR><a
href="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/70550236/Enthalpy-of-Formation-Worksheet" target=_blank >http://www.docstoc.com/docs/70550236/Enthalpy-of-Formation-Worksheet</a> <BR><BR> <BR><BR>This document shows both outputs values for some realistic cases. See the<BR>difference between the ?Standard? efficiency as calculated in the USA and<BR>the ?Siegert? efficiency. The cause of the difference is that the<BR>calculation methods are quite different.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>Normally the Siegert efficiency value is higher but you can see on pages 5/<BR>and 9/14 that the Siegert calculated efficiency is lower than the Standard<BR>Efficiency when the stack temperature is high.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>In fact, the fuel heat number used in the US (in some industries) is not the<BR>LHV value which assumes that water vapour and gases are cooled by the heat<BR>exchanger to 100C and that heat was captured (the normal way to get LHV).1<BR><BR> <BR><BR>Some industries use 150 C as the
practical limit for extracting useable heat<BR>so the ?loss? is an additional 50? C for everything passing through the<BR>device. There are good (industrial) reasons for this, however there is<BR>obviously confusion caused when trying to decide which method has been<BR>applied by someone else.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>The Siegert method is used in the HTP even if the instantaneous efficiency<BR>is different some of the time. With space heating stoves, sometimes the HHV<BR>is appropriate because the exhaust gases are condensing and going out as<BR>white ?fog?, sometimes even running down as liquid inside the chimney (the<BR>black liquid that drops out) and sometimes it goes out as water vapour<BR>indicating that the LHV is appropriate. So a decision was taken to use the<BR>European Siegert method across the board for stating space heating<BR>efficiency.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>Prof Philip Lloyd (Cape Town) has reported difficulty determining the<BR>thermal efficiency of
ethanol stoves because of condensation of moisture<BR>taking place on the bottom of pots (HHV) early in the test but later this is<BR>not the case (LHV). However this situation being unusual, in general the LHV<BR>is used for cooking. <BR><BR> <BR><BR>In the case of cooking pots on stoves, the same HTP spreadsheet uses the LHV<BR>(in common with most protocols) because in the vicinity of the cooking<BR>region of most stoves the likelihood and frequency of moisture condensing on<BR>the pots throughout the cooking process is very low. If you were designing a<BR>condensing heat exchanger instead of cooking, the method should be<BR>appropriate to that case.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>In summary: the SeTAR Heterogeneous Test Protocol uses the Siegert method<BR>for determining the thermal efficiency as a space heater which means it uses<BR>the HHV of the fuel, and uses the standard LHV values when determining the<BR>efficiency of cooking over the fire.<BR><BR>
<BR><BR>These efficiencies are separately reported on the spreadsheet.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>Crispin<BR><BR> <BR><BR>1 [Also see S Baldwin?s discussion of this in his 1987 book ? I agree with<BR>his suggestion but it is not the standard method: it is that LHV values<BR>over-report the actual cooking efficiency of stoves by .06 MJ/kg of biomass<BR>fuels because of the enthalpy of gases between 100 C and the standard<BR>ambient air source temperature.]<BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20120611/5f21ac1d/attachment-0001.html" target=_blank >http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20120611/5f21ac1d/attachment-0001.html</a>><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:28:48 -0700 (PDT)<BR>From: ssemaganda
Robert <<a ymailto="mailto:ssemarobert@yahoo.com" href="mailto:ssemarobert@yahoo.com">ssemarobert@yahoo.com</a>><BR>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>"<BR> <<a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><BR>Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<a ymailto="mailto:1339489728.92628.YahooMailNeo@web163102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" href="mailto:1339489728.92628.YahooMailNeo@web163102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com">1339489728.92628.YahooMailNeo@web163102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com</a>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site?<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/?but" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/?but</a> I
would want to know how is one able to remove the ash that keeps?accumulating b'se one thing I know with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree with me in that!<BR>let me hear from you stovers<BR>Robert?<BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR> From: "<a ymailto="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><BR>To: <a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> <BR>Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:00 PM<BR>Subject: Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10<BR> <BR>Send Stoves mailing list submissions to<BR>??? <a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>??? <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank >http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><BR><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>??? <a ymailto="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>??? <a ymailto="mailto:stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Stoves digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>? 1. Fwd: on pre
heating of biomass alongside the stove for??? near<BR>? ? ? instant ignition and if desired,??? smokeless emission of desired<BR>? ? ? aromatics (Richard Stanley)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:17:56 -0700<BR>From: Richard Stanley <<a ymailto="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>><BR>To: Stoves and biofuels network <<a ymailto="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><BR>Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove<BR>??? for??? near instant ignition and if desired,??? smokeless emission of<BR>??? desired aromatics<BR>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org"
href="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org">9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org</a>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR><BR><BR>Seconded, Paul? (thanks for that). <BR>...from Here to Etorroficany it is:<BR><BR>The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up <BR>in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them =<BR>into the stove without burning yourself.? Now when you figure out a way =<BR>to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic =<BR>emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source =<BR>but I have? not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems =<BR>the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<BR>biomass). =20<BR><BR>For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He =<BR>pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette
=<BR>rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These =<BR>and the story behind them is archived these on this site: =<BR><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><BR><BR>Richard Stanley<BR>www.legacyfound.org<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<BR><BR>Stovers,<BR><BR>I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying.? I =<BR>think the idea is great!!!<BR><BR>And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the =<BR>sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the =<BR>stoves. =20<BR><BR>Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this =<BR>drying method very easily. =20<BR><BR>Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the fuel =<BR>for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD =<BR>unit is placed, and then
removed as in normal TLUD usage.<BR><BR>SAFETY NOTE:? Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that =<BR>are being dried present even greater risks.? But this is because of =<BR>wayward sparks.? In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the =<BR>fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion.? Instead, the biomass =<BR>might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a =<BR>piece of toast), which is not combustion.<BR><BR>Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat =<BR>near the stoves.<BR><BR>Paul<BR>Paul S. Anderson, PhD? aka "Dr TLUD"<BR>Email:? <a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>? Skype: paultlud? Phone: +1-309-452-7072<BR>Website:? www.drtlud.com<BR><BR>On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<BR>> =20<BR>> George,<BR>> ... snip ...<BR>>? You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes
alongside to =<BR>super dry them for two benefits:? near instant and near smokeless =<BR>ignition, and? emission of desired aromas? (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends =<BR>for? flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used =<BR>tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You =<BR>could, alternatively ... [use]...? sheet metal riveted or fastened by =<BR>simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20<BR>> =20<BR>> Heres a simple 3D sketch of the? idea; am only guessing at stove shape =<BR>and configuration=20<BR><BR>[DrTLUD says:? I was not able to attach Richard's diagram.? Imagine a =<BR>peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette =<BR>on that peg.? Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves =<BR>List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv.? ]<BR>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? =20<BR>> Richard Stanley<BR>>
www.legacfound.org<BR>> =20<BR>> =20<BR>> =20<BR>> =20<BR><BR><BR>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>Content-Type: text/html;<BR>??? charset=us-ascii<BR><BR><html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =<BR>-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =<BR>">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to =<BR>Etorroficany it is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at =<BR>least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a =<BR>few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them into the stove without =<BR>burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in =<BR>eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions =<BR>out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have =<BR> not seen it
happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the =<BR>aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<BR>biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please =<BR>take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of =<BR>molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is =<BR>being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is =<BR>archived these on this site: <a =<BR>href=3D"<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a>"><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpr=" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpr=</a><BR>ess.com/2011/06/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard =<BR>Stanley</div><div><a =<BR>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target=_blank
>http://www.legacyfound.org</a>">www.legacyfound.org</a></div><div><br>=<BR></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul =<BR>Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BR>=20<BR>? <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =<BR>http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"><BR>=20<BR><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><BR>? Stovers,<br><BR>? <br><BR>? I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel =<BR>drying. <BR>? I think the idea is great!!!<br><BR>? <br><BR>? And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the<BR>? sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the<BR>? stoves. <br><BR>? <br><BR>? Many of the current configurations of
TLUD stoves could adopt this<BR>? drying method very easily. <br><BR>? <br><BR>? Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the<BR>? fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which<BR>? the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD =<BR>usage.<br><BR>? <br><BR>? SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near =<BR>fuels<BR>? that are being dried present even greater risks. But =<BR>this is<BR>? because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, =<BR>however,<BR>? merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous =<BR>combustion. <BR>? Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like<BR>? the over-browning of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><BR>? <br><BR>? Stovers
should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat<BR>? near the stoves.<br><BR>? <br><BR>? Paul<br><BR>? <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD? aka =<BR>"Dr TLUD"<BR>Email:? <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<BR>href=3D"mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>"><a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a>? Skype: =<BR>paultlud? Phone: +1-309-452-7072<BR>Website:? <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<BR>href=3D"<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target=_blank >http://www.drtlud.com/</a>">www.drtlud.com</a></pre><BR>? <br><BR>? On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<BR>? <blockquote =<BR>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org"
href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"x-msg://133/">George,<BR>? ? <div> ... snip ...</div><BR>? </blockquote><BR>? <blockquote =<BR>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>type=3D"cite"><BR>? ? <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes<BR>? ? ? alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant =<BR>and<BR>? ? ? near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas =<BR> (eg.,<BR>? ? ? eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and =<BR>lemon<BR>? ? ? grass, cedar etc., etc., as used
tradtionally for medicinal /<BR>? ? ? cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively<BR>? ? ? ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple =<BR>slots in<BR>? ? ? stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. <BR>? ? ? <div><br><BR>? ? ? </div><BR>? ? ? <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only =<BR>guessing at<BR>? ? ? ? stove shape and configuration <br><BR>? ? ? </div><BR>? ? </div><BR>? </blockquote><BR>? <br><BR>? [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's =<BR>diagram. Imagine<BR>? a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey<BR>? briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original =<BR>message to<BR>? the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves<BR>?
Listserv. ]<br><BR>? <blockquote =<BR>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>type=3D"cite"><BR>? ? <div><BR>? ? ? <div> <br><BR>? ? ? </div><BR>? ? ? <div>Richard Stanley</div><BR>? ? ? <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =<BR>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target=_blank >http://www.legacfound.org/</a>">www.legacfound.org</a></div><BR>? ? ? <div><br><BR>? ? ? </div><BR>? ? ? <div><br><BR>? ? ? </div><BR>? ? ? <div><br><BR>? ? ? </div><BR>? ? ?
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ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><BR>Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <CAB-CVjVnE29MGpC4JRbgtZ+<a ymailto="mailto:URGe5yZxiO5vrsPoHiZRww2cb6w@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:URGe5yZxiO5vrsPoHiZRww2cb6w@mail.gmail.com">URGe5yZxiO5vrsPoHiZRww2cb6w@mail.gmail.com</a>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Hi Robert,<BR><BR>the quantity of ashes depends on the cooking time, briquette material and<BR>how dry they are before inserted in the stove. Surprisingly enough, i used<BR>12 briquettes to cook goulash, which took 4 hours and didn't have to clean<BR>the stove even once (briquettes were of pine flakes and paper, it was just<BR>white dust that remained after burn).<BR><BR>I did make one solution for the problem tho - i drilled a 1/2 inch hole<BR>through the very bottom corner of
the combustion chamber, from the side of<BR>the stove (90 degrees to the elbow shape), which provided an option to<BR>clean the stove with a stick that just fitted the hole (you just pushed the<BR>stick through the hole couple of times and ashes were pushed out on the<BR>other side. I'm sorry i can't provide any photos at the moment, but can do<BR>so if desired!<BR><BR>I know Joshua Guinto (in Philippines) used to make a slightly lower<BR>vertical part of the combustion chamber, so the ashes were falling in<BR>there. I can make a drawing for you<BR><BR>All the best with your endeavors!<BR>Rok Oblak<BR><BR>On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:28 AM, ssemaganda Robert<BR><<a ymailto="mailto:ssemarobert@yahoo.com" href="mailto:ssemarobert@yahoo.com">ssemarobert@yahoo.com</a>>wrote:<BR><BR>> Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site<BR>> <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a> but I
would want to know how is<BR>> one able to remove the ash that keeps accumulating b'se one thing I know<BR>> with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree<BR>> with me in that!<BR>> let me hear from you stovers<BR>> Robert<BR>><BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> *From:* "<a ymailto="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>" <<BR>> <a ymailto="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><BR>> *To:* <a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><BR>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:00 PM<BR>> *Subject:* Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10<BR>><BR>> Send Stoves mailing list
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replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> than "Re: Contents of Stoves digest..."<BR>><BR>><BR>> Today's Topics:<BR>><BR>> 1. Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove for near<BR>> instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of desired<BR>> aromatics (Richard Stanley)<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:17:56 -0700<BR>> From: Richard Stanley <<a ymailto="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>><BR>> To: Stoves and biofuels network <<a ymailto="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><BR>> Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: on pre heating of
biomass alongside the stove<BR>> for near instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of<BR>> desired aromatics<BR>> Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org">9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org</a>><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR>><BR>><BR>> Seconded, Paul (thanks for that).<BR>> ...from Here to Etorroficany it is:<BR>><BR>> The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up<BR>> in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them =<BR>> into the stove without burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way =<BR>> to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic =<BR>> emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw
wood source =<BR>> but I have not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems =<BR>> the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<BR>> biomass). =20<BR>><BR>> For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He =<BR>> pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette =<BR>> rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These =<BR>> and the story behind them is archived these on this site: =<BR>> <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><BR>><BR>> Richard Stanley<BR>> www.legacyfound.org<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<BR>><BR>> Stovers,<BR>><BR>> I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying. I =<BR>> think the idea is great!!!<BR>><BR>> And it can be
expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the =<BR>> sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the =<BR>> stoves. =20<BR>><BR>> Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this =<BR>> drying method very easily. =20<BR>><BR>> Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the fuel =<BR>> for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD =<BR>> unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD usage.<BR>><BR>> SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that =<BR>> are being dried present even greater risks. But this is because of =<BR>> wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the =<BR>> fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion. Instead, the biomass =<BR>> might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a =<BR>> piece of
toast), which is not combustion.<BR>><BR>> Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat =<BR>> near the stoves.<BR>><BR>> Paul<BR>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<BR>> Email: <a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<BR>> Website: www.drtlud.com<BR>><BR>> On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<BR>> > =20<BR>> > George,<BR>> > ... snip ...<BR>> > You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes alongside to =<BR>> super dry them for two benefits: near instant and near smokeless =<BR>> ignition, and emission of desired aromas (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends =<BR>> for flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used =<BR>> tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without
smoke). You =<BR>> could, alternatively ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by =<BR>> simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20<BR>> > =20<BR>> > Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only guessing at stove shape =<BR>> and configuration=20<BR>><BR>> [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's diagram. Imagine a =<BR>> peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette =<BR>> on that peg. Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves =<BR>> List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv. ]<BR>> > =20<BR>> > Richard Stanley<BR>> > www.legacfound.org<BR>> > =20<BR>> > =20<BR>> > =20<BR>> > =20<BR>><BR>><BR>> --Apple-Mail-6--76304495<BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>>
Content-Type: text/html;<BR>> charset=us-ascii<BR>><BR>> <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =<BR>> -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =<BR>> ">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to =<BR>> Etorroficany it is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at =<BR>> least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a =<BR>> few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them into the stove without =<BR>> burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in =<BR>> eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions =<BR>> out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have =<BR>> not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the =<BR>> aromoatics are more easily
emitted from the non wood faction of the =<BR>> biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please =<BR>> take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of =<BR>> molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is =<BR>> being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is =<BR>> archived these on this site: <a =<BR>> href=3D"<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a>"><BR>> <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpr=" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpr=</a><BR>> ess.com/2011/06/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard =<BR>> Stanley</div><div><a =<BR>> href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target=_blank >http://www.legacyfound.org</a>">www.legacyfound.org<BR>>
</a></div><div><br>=<BR>> </div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul =<BR>> Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BR>> =20<BR>> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =<BR>> http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"><BR>> =20<BR>> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><BR>> Stovers,<br><BR>> <br><BR>> I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel =<BR>> drying. <BR>> I think the idea is great!!!<br><BR>> <br><BR>> And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the<BR>> sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the<BR>> stoves. <br><BR>> <br><BR>> Many of the
current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this<BR>> drying method very easily. <br><BR>> <br><BR>> Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the<BR>> fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which<BR>> the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD =<BR>> usage.<br><BR>> <br><BR>> SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near =<BR>> fuels<BR>> that are being dried present even greater risks. But =<BR>> this is<BR>> because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, =<BR>> however,<BR>> merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous =<BR>> combustion. <BR>> Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like<BR>> the over-browning
of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><BR>> <br><BR>> Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat<BR>> near the stoves.<br><BR>> <br><BR>> Paul<br><BR>> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka =<BR>> "Dr TLUD"<BR>> Email: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<BR>> href=3D"mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>"><a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a> Skype: =<BR>> paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<BR>> Website: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<BR>> href=3D"<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target=_blank >http://www.drtlud.com/</a>">www.drtlud.com</a></pre><BR>>
<br><BR>> On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<BR>> <blockquote =<BR>> cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>> type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"x-msg://133/">George,<BR>> <div> ... snip ...</div><BR>> </blockquote><BR>> <blockquote =<BR>> cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>> type=3D"cite"><BR>> <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes<BR>> alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant
=<BR>> and<BR>> near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas =<BR>> (eg.,<BR>> eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and =<BR>> lemon<BR>> grass, cedar etc., etc., as used tradtionally for medicinal /<BR>> cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively<BR>> ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple =<BR>> slots in<BR>> stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. <BR>> <div><br><BR>> </div><BR>> <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only =<BR>> guessing at<BR>> stove shape and configuration <br><BR>>
</div><BR>> </div><BR>> </blockquote><BR>> <br><BR>> [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's =<BR>> diagram. Imagine<BR>> a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey<BR>> briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original =<BR>> message to<BR>> the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves<BR>> Listserv. ]<br><BR>> <blockquote =<BR>> cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>> type=3D"cite"><BR>> <div><BR>> <div>
<br><BR>> </div><BR>> <div>Richard Stanley</div><BR>> <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =<BR>> href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target=_blank >http://www.legacfound.org/</a>">www.legacfound.org</a></div><BR>> <div><br><BR>> </div><BR>> <div><br><BR>> </div><BR>> <div><br><BR>> </div><BR>> <div> <BR>> </div><BR>> </div><BR>> </blockquote><BR>> </div><BR>><BR>> </div><br></div></body></html>=<BR>><BR>>
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href="mailto:rok.stoves@gmail.com">rok.stoves@gmail.com</a><BR>www.holeyroket.com<BR><BR>Gregorciceva ulica 5<BR>4224 Gorenja vas<BR>Slovenia<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20120612/77278b2f/attachment-0001.html" target=_blank >http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20120612/77278b2f/attachment-0001.html</a>><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:24:38 -0700<BR>From: Richard Stanley <<a ymailto="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>><BR>To: ssemaganda Robert <<a ymailto="mailto:ssemarobert@yahoo.com" href="mailto:ssemarobert@yahoo.com">ssemarobert@yahoo.com</a>>, Discussion of biomass<BR>
cooking stoves <<a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>, Rok Oblak<BR> <<a ymailto="mailto:rok.stoves@gmail.com" href="mailto:rok.stoves@gmail.com">rok.stoves@gmail.com</a>><BR>Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10<BR>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:229292A6-49F2-49B4-BA6C-A99511B18282@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:229292A6-49F2-49B4-BA6C-A99511B18282@legacyfound.org">229292A6-49F2-49B4-BA6C-A99511B18282@legacyfound.org</a>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR><BR>Sebo Robert,<BR>I think that Rok is te real expert here, as he designed the stove and has tested it many times. I do know that essentialy, ash = unburnt fuel? Ultimately, no ash = perfect combustion. And of course it also depends uponwhat you are using?<BR>Richard Stanley<BR><BR>On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:28 AM,
ssemaganda Robert wrote:<BR><BR>Thanks for the nice stoves on this web site <a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a> but I would want to know how is one able to remove the ash that keeps accumulating b'se one thing I know with briquettes is that they produce alot of ash. I think you will agree with me in that!<BR>let me hear from you stovers<BR>Robert <BR><BR>From: "<a ymailto="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><BR>To: <a ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> <BR>Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:00 PM<BR>Subject: Stoves
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Fwd: on pre heating of biomass alongside the stove<BR> for near instant ignition and if desired, smokeless emission of<BR> desired aromatics<BR>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org">9AB0C3F9-0CCE-438D-A1E0-82427677AF21@legacyfound.org</a>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR><BR><BR>Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <BR>...from Here to Etorroficany it is:<BR><BR>The briquettes at least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up <BR>in your hands for a few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them =<BR>into the stove without burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way =<BR>to add in eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic =<BR>emissions out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source =<BR>but I have not seen
it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems =<BR>the aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<BR>biomass). =20<BR><BR>For anybody interested, please take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He =<BR>pioneered the integration of molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette =<BR>rocket stoves. The design is being used in several countries now. These =<BR>and the story behind them is archived these on this site: =<BR><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a><BR><BR>Richard Stanley<BR>www.legacyfound.org<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<BR><BR>Stovers,<BR><BR>I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel drying. I =<BR>think the idea is great!!!<BR><BR>And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the =<BR>sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the =<BR>stoves.
=20<BR><BR>Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this =<BR>drying method very easily. =20<BR><BR>Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the fuel =<BR>for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which the TLUD =<BR>unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD usage.<BR><BR>SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near fuels that =<BR>are being dried present even greater risks. But this is because of =<BR>wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, however, merely drying the =<BR>fuels should not cause spontaneous combustion. Instead, the biomass =<BR>might start to reach some torrification (like the over-browning of a =<BR>piece of toast), which is not combustion.<BR><BR>Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat =<BR>near the stoves.<BR><BR>Paul<BR>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<BR>Email: <a
ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<BR>Website: www.drtlud.com<BR><BR>On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<BR>> =20<BR>> George,<BR>> ... snip ...<BR>> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes alongside to =<BR>super dry them for two benefits: near instant and near smokeless =<BR>ignition, and emission of desired aromas (eg., eucalyptus leaf blends =<BR>for flea /mozzie repellents, and lemon grass, cedar etc., etc., as used =<BR>tradtionally for medicinal / cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You =<BR>could, alternatively ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by =<BR>simple slots in stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate.=20<BR>> =20<BR>> Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only guessing at stove shape =<BR>and
configuration=20<BR><BR>[DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's diagram. Imagine a =<BR>peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey briquette =<BR>on that peg. Or you can see it in his original message to the Stoves =<BR>List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves Listserv. ]<BR>> =20<BR>> Richard Stanley<BR>> www.legacfound.org<BR>> =20<BR>> =20<BR>> =20<BR>> =20<BR><BR><BR>--Apple-Mail-6--76304495<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>Content-Type: text/html;<BR> charset=us-ascii<BR><BR><html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =<BR>-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =<BR>">Seconded, Paul (thanks for that). <div>...from Here to =<BR>Etorroficany it
is:</div><div><br></div><div> The briquettes at =<BR>least seldom get so hot that you can't pick them up in your hands for a =<BR>few seconds, or at least long enough to toss them into the stove without =<BR>burning yourself. Now when you figure out a way to add in =<BR>eucalyptus leaves to drive off mossis with smokeless aromatic emissions =<BR>out of wood (maybe you can do this with the raw wood source but I have =<BR> not seen it happen on our own stove here at home: It seems the =<BR>aromoatics are more easily emitted from the non wood faction of the =<BR>biomass). </div><div><br></div><div>For anybody interested, please =<BR>take a look at Rok Oblak's site: He pioneered the integration of =<BR>molded-in fingers to his side fed briquette rocket stoves. The design is =<BR>being used in several countries now. These and the story behind them is
=<BR>archived these on this site: <a =<BR>href=3D"<a href="http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpress.com/2011/06/</a>"><a href="http://holeyroket.wordpr=" target=_blank >http://holeyroket.wordpr=</a><BR>ess.com/2011/06/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Richard =<BR>Stanley</div><div><a =<BR>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target=_blank >http://www.legacyfound.org</a>">www.legacyfound.org</a></div><div><br>=<BR></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Paul =<BR>Anderson wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BR>=20<BR> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =<BR>http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"><BR>=20<BR><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><BR> Stovers,<br><BR>
<br><BR> I edited Richard Stanley's message below to focus on fuel =<BR>drying. <BR> I think the idea is great!!!<br><BR> <br><BR> And it can be expanded to be small wire baskets that can hang on the<BR> sides or other means to keep the fuel close to the warm sides of the<BR> stoves. <br><BR> <br><BR> Many of the current configurations of TLUD stoves could adopt this<BR> drying method very easily. <br><BR> <br><BR> Alternatively for easily portable heat sources like many TLUDs, the<BR> fuel for drying could be in a "cage" or rack of some type into which<BR> the TLUD unit is placed, and then removed as in normal TLUD =<BR>usage.<br><BR> <br><BR> SAFETY NOTE: Fires should not be unattended, and fires near =<BR>fuels<BR> that are being dried present even
greater risks. But =<BR>this is<BR> because of wayward sparks. In the absence of sparks, =<BR>however,<BR> merely drying the fuels should not cause spontaneous =<BR>combustion. <BR> Instead, the biomass might start to reach some torrification (like<BR> the over-browning of a piece of toast), which is not combustion.<br><BR> <br><BR> Stovers should consider ways to dry fuels using "waste" ambient heat<BR> near the stoves.<br><BR> <br><BR> Paul<br><BR> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka =<BR>"Dr TLUD"<BR>Email: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<BR>href=3D"mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>"><a ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a> Skype: =<BR>paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<BR>Website: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =<BR>href=3D"<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target=_blank >http://www.drtlud.com/</a>">www.drtlud.com</a></pre><BR> <br><BR> On 6/5/2012 2:21 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<BR> <blockquote =<BR>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>type=3D"cite"><base href=3D"x-msg://133/">George,<BR> <div> ... snip ...</div><BR> </blockquote><BR> <blockquote =<BR>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org"
href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>type=3D"cite"><BR> <div> You could even add a small fingers to hold briquettes<BR> alongside to super dry them for two benefits: near instant =<BR>and<BR> near smokeless ignition, and emission of desired aromas =<BR> (eg.,<BR> eucalyptus leaf blends for flea /mozzie repellents, and =<BR>lemon<BR> grass, cedar etc., etc., as used tradtionally for medicinal /<BR> cerimonial purposes---without smoke). You could, alternatively<BR> ... [use]... sheet metal riveted or fastened by simple =<BR>slots in<BR> stove wall with matching bent tangs in the plate. <BR>
<div><br><BR> </div><BR> <div>Heres a simple 3D sketch of the idea; am only =<BR>guessing at<BR> stove shape and configuration <br><BR> </div><BR> </div><BR> </blockquote><BR> <br><BR> [DrTLUD says: I was not able to attach Richard's =<BR>diagram. Imagine<BR> a peg sticking out from the side of a TLUD stove, with a holey<BR> briquette on that peg. Or you can see it in his original =<BR>message to<BR> the Stoves List. and it should be in the Archives of the Stoves<BR> Listserv. ]<br><BR> <blockquote =<BR>cite=3D"mid:<a ymailto="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org"
href="mailto:E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org">E9CEC228-B197-47EA-8D0E-BC0CF731FF8F@legacyfound.org</a>" =<BR>type=3D"cite"><BR> <div><BR> <div> <br><BR> </div><BR> <div>Richard Stanley</div><BR> <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =<BR>href=3D"<a href="http://www.legacfound.org/" target=_blank >http://www.legacfound.org/</a>">www.legacfound.org</a></div><BR> <div><br><BR> </div><BR> <div><br><BR> </div><BR> <div><br><BR> </div><BR> <div> <BR> </div><BR>
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