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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Dear Andrew P<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I appreciate all three sites you mentioned precisely because of the math!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>To my surprise there was on the CBC (a relentlessly Warmist channel) an interview today with a lady who was very well informed on the miseries to which the dispossessed poor are victims of the new green-grab, they called it, where the carbon cowboys roll into town to 'save the forests' and make megabucks in the process.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>There was a discussion on WUWT of the stoves programmes, mostly GACC, attacking the EPA for touting ridiculous plans. I engaged some of the bloggers pointing out the pretty serious errors in logic (that fuel contains 'inherent emissions' of PM and all that nonsense) pointing out the remarkable success achieved in only 1 year in Ulaanbaatar using an open mind, knowledge of good combustion and a real time test protocol (<i>HTP</i>). With emissions down more than 99% (which I assume LBLN’s Henrick Wallman will talk about in his upcoming webinar) there was a pretty solid rebuttal of the knee-jerk comments that stoves are all smoky and messy and need to be replaced by good, clean propane.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>More to the correct topic: the pillaging of the standing forests is a new type of colonialism where ‘green activists’ appropriate all local rights of use so they can make money selling offsets to the West. What makes it so galling is the defectiveness of the foundational argument – that human cause CO2 emissions are dramatically (or even detectably) warming the planet – and the bull-headed resistance to the mounting evidence that the educated guess taken 25 years ago by Hansen et al was wrong.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>My advice remains the same: do not put money into a stove programme that depends on carbon trading for survival. Just make good products that people want to buy. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Crispin<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>+++++</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>My interest in efficient stoves was spurred by deforestation and health concerns. Now the forests I was trying to protect are slated to be cleared to make way for palm oil plantations to feed the carbon credits farce. The people whose lives I hoped to improve are also being cleared and forced into refugee camps. An environment that supported upwards of<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>100,000 will support only a few hundred. For what? For whom?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Invoking the Precautionary Principle, we force the very people we seek to protect with our policies into immediate devastation, misery and death, rather than position ourselves to assist in the event that something bad might, maybe, perhaps happen to them sometime in the next 100 to 100,000 years as a result of man caused CO2 release. This is Climate Justice?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Its anthropogenic, but the suffering isn't because of climate change.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Andrew Parker (not AJH)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>P.S. If you don't like Climate Depot, try wattsupwiththat.com, or for math heads, climateaudit.org (I try, but it gives me a migraine).<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>