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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial>Dear Steven</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial>It is sad indeed that the urban poor of India can
only afford $1.35 for a "new and efficient healthy stove". It is indeed good and
noble of you and others who want to implement stove projects to enable have such
"efficient and healthy" stoves available and affordable to the urban
poor..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial>Consider the situation where you could offer such a
stove for $2.00 and there was a "Carbon Credit Payment" of $.65 per stove
available. Your project would thus succeed. However, in this case, if Carbon
Credit Payments were not available, then your project is doomed to failure.
Sadly, the cruel fact is that it doesn't matter what you or I believe about the
future availability of Carbon Credits... what is important is whether or not
they will actually be available. Unless you can get a "rock solid confirmation"
that Carbon Credits will be available for your possible stove systems, any stove
project depending on Carbon Credits for success is in danger of
failure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial>Can you get any guarantee that Carbon Credits will
be available for your stoves? Can you get any indication of how much per stove
these credits would be? Will carbon credit payments per stove enable you to
offer the adequately improved stove for $1.35?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Arial>Kevin Chisholm</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi all,<BR> <BR>Of course everyone is entitled to their own
view on whether anthropogenic climate change is a reality. And if you don't
believe it is then certainly supporting any carbon offset
scheme would be a scandal for your conscience. However many of
us (including myself) are of the firm view that it is a
reality. And that being the case I believe carbon offsets can be a
legitimate and helpful tool if done properly. <BR> <BR>I am trying to
implement a stove project among the urban poor in
the slums of India. Our community surveys have indicated that people
would love the opportunity to cook smoke-free, however on average the
survey respondents reported only being able to afford Rs 75 ($1.35) for a new
stove. It's all very well to say "just make good products that people want to
buy", but decent improved cookstoves are financially well out of the reach of
many who could benefit from them. Through carbon offsets there is however
the potential to bring them within reach. So we are looking to sell
carbon offsets to individuals in the voluntary carbon offset market to fund
the stoves, thereby making a project in the slums
viable.<BR> <BR>Sure, some carbon offset schemes may be poorly designed
and have negative consequences - they need to be prevented. But
surely the whole concept should not receive the condemnation only some
projects deserve.<BR> <BR>Regards,<BR>Steve Wilson<BR><BR> <BR>
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<BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:07:37 +0200<BR>>
From: Ronald Hongsermeier <rwhongser@web.de><BR>> To: Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves<BR>> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>>
Subject: [Stoves] interesting link<BR>> Message-ID:
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------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 2<BR>> Date: Sat,
23 Jun 2012 08:58:23 -0600<BR>> From: Ron Larson
<rongretlarson@comcast.net><BR>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves<BR>> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>> Cc: Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves<BR>>
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>> Subject: Re: [Stoves]
interesting link<BR>> Message-ID:
<DDD65262-6712-4F32-A765-0AC2F7F550A8@comcast.net><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR>> <BR>> Ronald and list:<BR>>
<BR>> I have glanced through this cite - and wonder what relationship it
has to stoves?<BR>> <BR>> Ron<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Jun
23, 2012, at 3:07 AM, Ronald Hongsermeier <rwhongser@web.de>
wrote:<BR>> <BR>> >
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9035/SPECIAL-REPORT-More-Than-1000-International-Scientists-Dissent-Over-ManMade-Global-Warming-Claims--Challenge-UN-IPCC--Gore#.T-VJ6M92ky8.facebook
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<BR>> Message: 3<BR>> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:17:21 +0200<BR>>
From: Ronald Hongsermeier <rwhongser@web.de><BR>> To: Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves<BR>> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] interesting link<BR>> Message-ID:
<4FE5EC11.1040701@web.de><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR>> <BR>> Dear Mr.
AbovecloudlevelinColorado Larson,<BR>> <BR>> Think of it as motivation
for coming up with more rational helps to get <BR>> people into thinking
about efficiency in their stove use and sales than <BR>> carbon
credits.<BR>> :D<BR>> <BR>> regards,<BR>> Ronald von
UnterderwolkendeckeninBayern<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> On 23.06.2012 16:58, Ron Larson wrote:<BR>> > Ronald and
list:<BR>> ><BR>> > I have glanced through this cite - and wonder
what relationship it has to stoves?<BR>> ><BR>> > Ron<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Jun 23, 2012, at 3:07 AM,
Ronald Hongsermeier <rwhongser@web.de> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>>
>>
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9035/SPECIAL-REPORT-More-Than-1000-International-Scientists-Dissent-Over-ManMade-Global-Warming-Claims--Challenge-UN-IPCC--Gore#.T-VJ6M92ky8.facebook<BR>>
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23 Jun 2012 17:05:18 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> From:
rongretlarson@comcast.net<BR>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves<BR>> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Stoves] interesting link<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>>
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<BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>> <BR>> Ronald
<BR>> <BR>> Yours is a worthy goal, but you've picked the wrong cite.
ClimateDepot is well known as a place which thinks energy efficiency is for
wimps. Of course they obviously know everything there is to be known about
cost efficiency. <BR>> <BR>> Still hope you can find a reference that
mentions stoves. <BR>> <BR>> Ron Larson (aka von
oberhalbdemSmogaufDenver) <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> From: "Ronald Hongsermeier" <rwhongser@web.de> <BR>>
To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org> <BR>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012
10:17:21 AM <BR>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] interesting link <BR>> <BR>>
Dear Mr. AbovecloudlevelinColorado Larson, <BR>> <BR>> Think of it as
motivation for coming up with more rational helps to get <BR>> people into
thinking about efficiency in their stove use and sales than <BR>> carbon
credits. <BR>> :D <BR>> <BR>> regards, <BR>> Ronald von
UnterderwolkendeckeninBayern <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> On 23.06.2012 16:58, Ron Larson wrote: <BR>> > Ronald and list:
<BR>> > <BR>> > I have glanced through this cite - and wonder what
relationship it has to stoves? <BR>> > <BR>> > Ron <BR>> >
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > On Jun 23, 2012, at 3:07 AM, Ronald
Hongsermeier <rwhongser@web.de> wrote: <BR>> > <BR>> >>
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9035/SPECIAL-REPORT-More-Than-1000-International-Scientists-Dissent-Over-ManMade-Global-Warming-Claims--Challenge-UN-IPCC--Gore#.T-VJ6M92ky8.facebook
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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:35:47 -0600<BR>> From: "Andrew C. Parker"
<acparker@xmission.com><BR>> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves"<BR>> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Stoves] interesting link<BR>> Message-ID:
<op.wgc9txbauoov7l@user-8ezctxe031><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;<BR>> delsp=yes<BR>> <BR>> My
interest in efficient stoves was spurred by deforestation and health <BR>>
concerns. Now the forests I was trying to protect are slated to be <BR>>
cleared to make way for palm oil plantations to feed the carbon credits
<BR>> farce. The people whose lives I hoped to improve are also being
cleared <BR>> and forced into refugee camps. An environment that supported
upwards of <BR>> 100,000 will support only a few hundred. For what? For
whom?<BR>> <BR>> Invoking the Precautionary Principle, we force the very
people we seek to <BR>> protect with our policies into immediate
devastation, misery and death, <BR>> rather than position ourselves to
assist in the event that something bad <BR>> might, maybe, perhaps happen
to them sometime in the next 100 to 100,000 <BR>> years as a result of man
caused CO2 release. This is Climate Justice?<BR>> <BR>> Its
anthropogenic, but the suffering isn't because of climate change.<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Andrew Parker (not AJH)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> P.S. If
you don't like Climate Depot, try wattsupwiththat.com, or for <BR>> math
heads, climateaudit.org (I try, but it gives me a migraine).<BR>> <BR>>
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6<BR>> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:46:45 -0400<BR>> From: "Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott@gmail.com><BR>> To: "'Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves'"<BR>>
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>> Subject: Re: [Stoves]
interesting link<BR>> Message-ID:
<011901cd5170$8aef7bb0$a0ce7310$@gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR>> <BR>> Dear Andrew P<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> I appreciate all three sites you mentioned precisely because
of the math!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> To my surprise there was on
the CBC (a relentlessly Warmist channel) an<BR>> interview today with a
lady who was very well informed on the miseries to<BR>> which the
dispossessed poor are victims of the new green-grab, they called<BR>> it,
where the carbon cowboys roll into town to 'save the forests' and make<BR>>
megabucks in the process.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> There was a
discussion on WUWT of the stoves programmes, mostly GACC,<BR>> attacking
the EPA for touting ridiculous plans. I engaged some of the<BR>> bloggers
pointing out the pretty serious errors in logic (that fuel contains<BR>>
'inherent emissions' of PM and all that nonsense) pointing out the<BR>>
remarkable success achieved in only 1 year in Ulaanbaatar using an
open<BR>> mind, knowledge of good combustion and a real time test protocol
(HTP). With<BR>> emissions down more than 99% (which I assume LBLN's
Henrick Wallman will<BR>> talk about in his upcoming webinar) there was a
pretty solid rebuttal of the<BR>> knee-jerk comments that stoves are all
smoky and messy and need to be<BR>> replaced by good, clean
propane.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> More to the correct topic: the
pillaging of the standing forests is a new<BR>> type of colonialism where
'green activists' appropriate all local rights of<BR>> use so they can make
money selling offsets to the West. What makes it so<BR>> galling is the
defectiveness of the foundational argument - that human cause<BR>> CO2
emissions are dramatically (or even detectably) warming the planet -
and<BR>> the bull-headed resistance to the mounting evidence that the
educated guess<BR>> taken 25 years ago by Hansen et al was wrong.<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> My advice remains the same: do not put money into a
stove programme that<BR>> depends on carbon trading for survival. Just make
good products that people<BR>> want to buy. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Regards<BR>> <BR>> Crispin<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
+++++<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> My interest in efficient stoves was
spurred by deforestation and health<BR>> concerns. Now the forests I was
trying to protect are slated to be cleared<BR>> to make way for palm oil
plantations to feed the carbon credits farce. The<BR>> people whose lives I
hoped to improve are also being cleared and forced into<BR>> refugee camps.
An environment that supported upwards of<BR>> <BR>> 100,000 will support
only a few hundred. For what? For whom?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Invoking the Precautionary Principle, we force the very people we seek
to<BR>> protect with our policies into immediate devastation, misery and
death,<BR>> rather than position ourselves to assist in the event that
something bad<BR>> might, maybe, perhaps happen to them sometime in the
next 100 to 100,000<BR>> years as a result of man caused CO2 release. This
is Climate Justice?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Its anthropogenic, but
the suffering isn't because of climate change.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Andrew Parker (not AJH)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> P.S. If you don't like Climate Depot, try
wattsupwiththat.com, or for math<BR>> heads, climateaudit.org (I try, but
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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:54:29 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> From:
rongretlarson@comcast.net<BR>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves<BR>> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org>, "Andrew C.
Parker"<BR>> <acparker@xmission.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Stoves]
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<BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>> <BR>> Andrew
Parker and list : <BR>> <BR>> As in my last reply to Ronald H, I don't
see that you are providing links that will help lead to better stoves. Lists
like the three in your "P.S." have zero interest in what this list is about -
and in fact I believe all three are doing a good job of making sure we are
unsuccessful in bringing about better stoves. <BR>> <BR>> Your
motivation (first sentence) for getting into this topic is much like many on
the list. I started personally with concern about the desertification disaster
happening in Sudan - all because of charcoal production in that country's
boondocks. Charcoal-making stoves can help a lot with
desertification/deforestation, even if the char is used by others for cooking
- because most present char production is so horrible. <BR>> <BR>> But
many of us on this list have come to see the char as being better for everyone
if placed in the ground. Carbon credits will be helpful in that regard. If
done appropriately, they can also do a lot to prevent (not encourage) what you
rightfully deplore. The issue for this list should be on any/every approach
that will give developing country stove users better stoves. With
charcoal-making stoves, stove users can even make money while cooking, while
meeting your two concerns: saving forests and gaining better health. <BR>>
<BR>> These topics, which seem important to you, should be on the table at
Rio + 20 - and I can't see that they are. Because, in part, of the three sites
listed below in your "P.S." <BR>> <BR>> Ron <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Andrew C. Parker"
<acparker@xmission.com> <BR>> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org> <BR>> Sent: Saturday, June
23, 2012 11:35:47 AM <BR>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] interesting link <BR>>
<BR>> My interest in efficient stoves was spurred by deforestation and
health <BR>> concerns. Now the forests I was trying to protect are slated
to be <BR>> cleared to make way for palm oil plantations to feed the carbon
credits <BR>> farce. The people whose lives I hoped to improve are also
being cleared <BR>> and forced into refugee camps. An environment that
supported upwards of <BR>> 100,000 will support only a few hundred. For
what? For whom? <BR>> <BR>> Invoking the Precautionary Principle, we
force the very people we seek to <BR>> protect with our policies into
immediate devastation, misery and death, <BR>> rather than position
ourselves to assist in the event that something bad <BR>> might, maybe,
perhaps happen to them sometime in the next 100 to 100,000 <BR>> years as a
result of man caused CO2 release. This is Climate Justice? <BR>> <BR>>
Its anthropogenic, but the suffering isn't because of climate change. <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Andrew Parker (not AJH) <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> P.S. If
you don't like Climate Depot, try wattsupwiththat.com, or for <BR>> math
heads, climateaudit.org (I try, but it gives me a migraine). <BR>> <BR>>
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