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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear All<br><br>With all respects, i wish to join in the discussion with my own concern similar to that of Josh Kearns. <br><br>Im at present building an improved wine distillery in favor of the small nipa wine producers in my hometown. The constructin is now in full scale and so im beginning to really get worried about the integrity of my design.<br><br>I do not have enough engineering background on this and do not have much equipments. So i would really appreciate it if you could also guide me through with this project. <br><br>I attached some photos and drawings of the project. <br><br>It was organized by a Japanese JICA volunteer and will help more than 200 wine producers not to mention their health and the immediate environment. <br><br>Best regards<br><br>JEd Guinto<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2012/9/16 Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Josh,<br><br>From experience, having the heat go through a single pipe/chimney in the center of the water tank is much better than having the heat go around the outside of the steel drum. And it is much less expansive.<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 9/14/2012 11:36 PM, Josh Kearns wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm thinking about building a 5-gal TLUD fired 55-gal water heater for outdoor showers. I'm wondering if anyone has a ballpark estimate for heat transfer efficiency w/ and w/o using a pot skirt attachment. The hot water tank will be a 55-gal steel drum, so I think the setup is pretty analogous to a cookstove setup, just bigger. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>20%? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Any thoughts are helpful, rough estimates OK.....thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FYI, the char from the water heating setup will be used in arbor-loo style modular composting toilets. This infrastructure is being installed during a rambo design-and-build sesh for my wedding on a farm in rural Appalachia (USA), but will be used continually by future events at the site. Cool, huh?!?!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Josh<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Stoves mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://www.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>