<div>Dear Ron,</div>
<div>the material to be charred in our kilns has to be dry. We tell it to users.</div>
<div>Yours</div>
<div>A.D.Karve<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Ronald Hongsermeier <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rwhongser@web.de" target="_blank">rwhongser@web.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Dear Alex, <br><br>I haven't carefully read the whole thread but haven't seen granularity of fuel addressed. Isn't that what makes a lot of difference in the flame/gas quality ( along with the moisture content, of course ) and determines the necessity of either using or not using forced air? Regarding Dr. Karve's drums I'm wondering how careful everyone is in emphasizing fuel moisture and particularity/uniformity issues in using these tools.<br>
<br>I think my first sentence above applies to both DD (Imberts or others) and TLUD's. <br><br>regards,<br>Ronald von der Oktoberfestnähe<br><br>(mein heutiger Name wird nur dann getragen bei einer Bierleichensichtungsrate von > 1 / Tag ;-) )
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<p>Tom,<br>I guess it may depend on what you consider a clean burn. My experiments focused the gases through a smaller out let pipe and then added the secondary air. So for a two foot diameter drum the pipe was three inches in diameter. Air was introduced near the top having only half that distance to penetrate, and combustion occurred in a six inch diameter chimney , six feet tall above.</p>
<p>Combustion was measurably good to very good nineteen times out of twenty.</p>
<p>So, what indeed is the limit?<br>Alex</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 2012-09-29 11:47 AM, "Tom Miles" <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">AD, Paul, Kobus and others. Many thanks for the suggestions. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">What is the largest practical size (kg fuel/hr, kW) for a single TLUD with a clean stack for heat recovery? There must be a limit to the air penetration to get a clean gas burn form a natural draft stack or even a fan driven TLUD. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Tom </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anand Karve<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 28, 2012 11:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Fabricated Burn Barrel TLUDS</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Tom,</p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">we regularly supply charring kilns made out of used 55 gallon drums. The kilns are based on the TLUD principle. The cost of a kiln plus an extra barrel for storing the char, is about US$100. We have sold more than 100 such kilns in India and have also trained a number of persons from India and Africa. These kilns are so easy to manufacture, that we ask the trainees to photograph and take measurements of our kiln so that they can copy the design. In many instances, people buy a kiln from us, because they feel that their local fabricator would be better able to copy the design from an actual object than from a blue print or a photograph.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The advantage of using 55 gallon drums is that used drums are available at a relatively low cost, and the kilns are portable. Instead of transporting the biomass, one transports the kiln to the location where the biomass is available, and brings back only the charred material, which weighs only a third as much as the biomass. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Tom Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am often asked if there is a burn barrel sized TLUD that is commercially fabricated. We’ve seen some great DIY with Doug’s Jolly Roger and others. Is anyone fabricating a 55 gal drum sized TLUD that can be used for regular biochar production? If so, what is the cost and availability?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#888888">Tom Miles </span></p></div></div>
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