<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>paul just a few days ago someone was showing ahopper full of logs : You responded th Crispins comments about a tapered hopper for presimably feeding chips into the stove. Is it so hard to conceive of a tall vertical feed tube with a slow bend into the combustion chamber, sealing the open end to prevent air feed as well-- to prevent turn, back burn up that tube<br>. </div><div>Richard<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 22, 2012, at 17:39, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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It is the words "feed ... continuously" fuel that is a problem.
The pellet stoves (heaters) are acceptable and successful because
the continuous feeding of fuel is automated. No such luxury with
inexpensive stoves for economically poor people.<br>
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Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
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On 10/22/2012 4:19 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:D6529C55-653D-4590-B5AB-EB6D21A39183@legacyfound.org" type="cite"><base href="x-msg://58/">quick ignition for small heat
loads …
<div>Makes me wonder about this idea of gettign a small fire
ignited quickly.. Think twigs ; huge surface area to volume
ratio, lots of air…
<div>And the Pellet stove aplies the idea ver well…. very little
fuel burning –at any one time but its being fed in
continuously and consistently.. </div>
<div>It seems that a tube thru which one fed pencil sized
slivers continuously would be a better move to quick ignition,
no matter what the fuel used.</div>
<div>Richard Stanley</div>
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<div>On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
wrote:</div>
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73, 125); " lang="EN-US">></span></b>More
info on Peter Coughlin's device. Photos, links,
etc. please. <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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color: black; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); ">I think Peter has this well documented.
The dim’s were from me. The fuel load is 210 mm
dia and the funnel is placed on the centre. The
lesson is that a small diameter will work but
slowly. It should be tapered and it has to have a
handle because it gets very hot very rapidly.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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color: black; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); ">></span>Seems a bit big, but it is
essentially a chimney placed onto an amount (how
much) of charcoal and how much tinder.<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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color: black; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); ">Normally the charcoal is top-lit so it is
just placed on top as an accelerator. Yes it is
big. Smaller just does not deliver the savings and
speed. It is a tool that lasts.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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125); ">></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Probably not
directly applicable to "Very small stoves" subject,
but it might be scaleable down in size?<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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color: black; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); ">Definitely scalable. It is likely to be
the same as the diameter of the chamber small
stoves, not on top. Note that a 5 inch stove is
pretty small if it is Jiko or POCA-like.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">></span>Just
a note for comparison. A common charcoal lighter
for American style charcoal grills is a simple
cylinder half that height and about 150 mm straight
walls, but it has charcoal placed inside (quite
different).<br>
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color: black; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); ">Yes quite different. Different principle
and not as effective, and disturbs the fire, and
the heating of the ‘charge’ does not assist drying
the charcoal below. The cone is much more
effective. Try it and you may introduce it as an
accelerator for the TLUD pellet burners.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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color: black; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); ">Incidentally we ran a stove I found in
TLUD mode today using kinda long 8mm pellets
(local wood) – breathed rather too much but apart
from being a biggish flame, ran CO/CO2 at
<0.60% for ages (certainly more than an hour)
and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">≈</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">0.30 quite a lot
of the time. There is a lot to be said for the
combination. I will try a new TLUD pellet stove
tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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color: black; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); ">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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