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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Anil</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sadly, it looks like Imperialism is still alive and
well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nariphaltan@gmail.com href="mailto:nariphaltan@gmail.com">nari
phaltan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free
biomass pellet fueled stove</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>Dear Prof Nurhuda,</B></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>It is a
very impressive development and you are right in expecting a suitable rate of
return on your intellectual property. Such requests for waiving rights have
also been received by us for our ethanol stove work before from some members
of the group.</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>All the
best.</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>Anil K
Rajvanshi</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id" target=_blank>mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Dear Prof. Anderson,<BR><BR>The equipments used to produce
the stove are actually the standard<BR>equipments used in the kerosene stove
production. They are hydraulic<BR>press, welding equipment, roller, and
still many other equipments.<BR><BR>The number of personals are 30 persons,
but those are involved in the<BR>production, due to still lower demand, is
only 6-10 persons.<BR><BR>The maximum production capacity, at moment, around
500 units in week. But<BR>we can increase up to 1000 units in week. It
depends on the difficulty<BR>level, the stove dimension and still many other
things.<BR><BR>The expenses used in the development of new stoves are mostly
for research<BR>and purchasing or build new equipments. We have spent more
tens thousands<BR>US$ from our start in the mid 2008. I therefore disagree
to any proposal<BR>to intelectual right removal, as you ever wrote about it
to me two years<BR>ago.<BR><BR>Kind regards<BR>M.
Nurhuda<BR><BR><BR><BR>Regards<BR>M. Nurhuda<BR>
<DIV class=im><BR><BR>> Dear M. Nurhuda,<BR>><BR>> Thank you for
the info.<BR>><BR>> Many of us are curious about your workshop to
produce such nice items.<BR>> Questions include the equipment, personnel,
and production capacity.<BR>><BR>> With appreciation,<BR>><BR>>
Paul<BR>><BR>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<BR>>
Email: <A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</A>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <A href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072"
value="+13094527072">+1-309-452-7072</A><BR>> Website: <A
href="http://www.drtlud.com"
target=_blank>www.drtlud.com</A><BR>><BR>> On 11/5/2012 1:13 AM, Ron
Larson wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Lists:<BR>>><BR>>>
Prof. Nurhuda has ok'd my forwarding this additional information
on<BR>>> his recently announced stove.<BR>>><BR>>>
Ron<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Begin forwarded
message:<BR>>><BR></DIV>>>> *From:* Muhammad Nurhuda <<A
href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com">mnurhuda@gmail.com</A><BR>>>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com">mnurhuda@gmail.com</A>>><BR>>>>
*Date:* November 4, 2012 5:01:46 PM MST<BR>>>> *To:* <A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>
*Subject:* *Re: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove*<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>>>><BR>>>> Dear Mr
Larson,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thank a lot for your email. The
stove is my recent attempt in order<BR>>>> biomass pellet can be
well burnt. Previously, I developed stove fueled<BR>>>>
wit<BR>>>> palm kernel shell. Even the stove was excellent for palm
kernel shell,<BR>>>> but<BR>>>> it is not immediately good
for biomass pellet. There are a lot of<BR>>>>
things<BR>>>> that have to be
optimized.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Yes, the excess air can be seen
from the appearance of the flame.<BR>>>> Optimal<BR>>>>
secondary air would produce very transparent,short flame, though
it<BR>>>> must<BR>>>> not be blue...... Mr Crispin
Pemberton Pigott has witnessed the stove<BR>>>> as I demonstrated
it in Yayasan Dian Desa, last October.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I
just started to sell this pellet stoves. At the moment, I
got<BR>>>> purchasing<BR>>>> order of 1200 stoves. It
occurs after the buyer perform test by<BR>>>>
himself.<BR>>>> However, due to limited capacity of our workshop,
the buyer must wait<BR>>>> up<BR>>>> to 3 months right
now. At the moment, we are manufacturing 1600<BR>>>> chopped-wood
fueled stoves for project in Sumba Island,
Indonesia.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The percentage of charcoal by
weight is 20-25%. Some time it is less.<BR>>>> But<BR>>>>
certainly, our stove burns the smoke very well until the last
smoke<BR>>>> production.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Biochar is
char that contains volatile matter (VM) less then 3%. When<BR>>>>
the<BR>>>> VM is still high, let say 5%, the reaction of VM and
water can lead the<BR>>>> acidic soil condition, and it is not good
for the plant. We believe<BR>>>> that<BR>>>> the biochar
produced by combustion of our stove is VM-free, such that<BR>>>>
it<BR>>>> is good for soil
conditioner.<BR>>>><BR>>>> As you might know, my
background is a theoretical atomic and laser<BR>>>> physicist. I do
not know some specific terms like turn-down ratio. I<BR>>>> started
to develop stoves in the late 2008. In addition, I do not
have<BR>>>> laboratory, just small workshop that produces the
stoves. So far, the<BR>>>> performance tests are performed by
external laboratories. In 2010 test<BR>>>> performed by PT Puser
Bumi in cooperation with directory of bioenergy,<BR>>>> republic of
Indonesia, our wood chopped stoves was the best among other<BR>>>>
60<BR>>>> stoves.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Kind
regards<BR>>>> M. Nurhuda<BR>>>><BR>>>> >
Prof. Nurhuda<BR>>>> > This is a really fine looking stove. The
part that intrigues me most<BR>>>> is<BR>>>> that you are
controlling secondary air for the pyrolysis gases. And<BR>>>>
apparently doing it (and primary air) well with the rotating
disc<BR>>>> mechanism. I do not recall seeing any other stove
controlling both<BR>>>> (without a fan) - so any data on the value
of that for users of the<BR>>>> stove<BR>>>> > could be
very helpful to others. (Can they control excess air by the<BR>>>>
look<BR>>>> > of the flame?)<BR>>>> > A few
questions:<BR>>>> > the price?<BR>>>> > sales going
well?<BR>>>> > what percentage char by weight?<BR>>>>
> any soil improvement results from using the biochar?<BR>>>>
> can you do more than a 4:3 turndown ratio? (based on your two
stated<BR>>>> power<BR>>>> > levels)<BR>>>>
> apparently you are striving for biochar (great!), but can
you<BR>>>> describe<BR>>>> conditions if you try to burn
the produced char?<BR>>>> > any efficiency data?<BR>>>>
> you appear to be pre-heating both primary and secondary air - can
you<BR>>>> attribute any performance improvement to that? (I know
of no-one else<BR>>>> doing both)<BR>>>> > Thanks for
the alert on your stove.<BR>>>> > Ron<BR>>>> > -----
Original Message -----<BR>>>> > <A
href="mailto:From%3Amnurhuda@ub.ac.id">From:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</A><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=im>>>> <<A
href="http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id"
target=_blank>http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id</A>><BR>>>>
> <A
href="mailto:To%3Astoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">To:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>>>>
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href="http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org</A>><BR>>>>
> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:03:54 PM<BR>>>> >
Subject: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove<BR>>>>
> Dear all,<BR>>>> > Please check to following page to see
the video of our smoke-free,<BR>>>> biomass-pellet fueled
stove:<BR>>>> ><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be</A><BR>>>>
> Kind regards<BR>>>> > M. Nurhuda<BR>>>> >
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